Should Governor Pritzker call out the national guard on trump's invasion force?

[Tangmo]

Do what the governor of New Mexico did. Deploy the national guard before trumpy can.

It's not a race nor is it a contest for supremacy.

As I stated in scrolling, once the Commander in Chief who we know to be the Generalisimo Trump federalizes the NG the governor is out of the picture both legally and Constitutionally. So it's up to the governor and/or the state NG to respond as they may choose to do outside the legal processes. Then settle it in the courts afterward.

 

[bongsaway]

What you are proposing isn't civil unrest, its civil war.

Well the gop supporters did keep warning us there would be a civil war.

 

[bongsaway]

As a citizen, you vote.
If you decide to choose violence, that's on you.

Where was this type of talk during 1/6 when the country witnessed a massive display of violence as trump supporters smashed their way into the capitol? Also, I don't live in Chicago but I did go out and protest on no kings day which in itself is a form of protest, an American right.

 

[bongsaway]

Indeed and no governor can send the state's National Guard into another state without the specific permission and agreement of the other governor. This is law.

However, federalized NG of a state can enter another state on the order of the Commander in Chief which we know is the president, the Generalissimo Trump who commands all the armed forces.

There's nothing a governor can do once the state's NG is federalized. Each governor knows this well.

Trump has several red state NG in DC because Trump Him Self is commander of the DC NG and commander in chief of the whole of the armed forces. Trump has ordered elements of several red state NG into DC and the red state governors kissed the Generalissimo's ass immediately.

Trump did not try to send red state NG into Los Angeles in California because he knows better than to try it in the test case LA and CA still are in the WH. The test of using active duty Marines in LA and CA went bust fast too so there won't be any active duty troops of Army, Air Force, Marines in DC or anywhere else.

I doubt Trump will try to order red state NG into IL and Chicago and I doubt that Trump will federalize the IL NG into Chicago. Trump-Miller-Homan know Gov. Pritzker is ready for 'em and may order the IL NG to stand down instead of obey a Trump order federalizing it. Settle this one in the courts which would likely stay the whole thing to process the filings.

Pritzker though may order the state NG to report to their armories but remain there no matter what Trump says or tries to do. That would give the Guard cover for its mutiny. Or the IL NG may mutiny in this way and "on their own" knowing they have the backing of the governor and the legislature -- and that the matter would have to be settled in the courts sometime later on. Indeed, the WH knows Chicago and IL are not laid back LA and CA which to be fair to 'em were the first to get this and to be the test instance. Trump is still testing his limits of course about the NG.

This is nothing more than political red meat for the base with tough guy trump purposely trying to stir up trouble.

 

[noonereal]

This has become really sickening when the president of the United States of America is literally acting like a dictator sending his goons to democratic cities while ignoring the higher crime rates in some republican cities.

Is this the type of america we really want. The pendulum will swing back and when it does, if a democratic controlled government does what trump is now doing will you complain when president Democrat sends his troops to your town for your security?

It's long past time to stop this president from tearing america apart. He's taxing us to death with his tariffs that he insists other countries pay but in the meantime in the real world, we're bearing the brunt with higher prices everywhere. Is this the America you voted for when trump told you, lower prices on day one?

The only promise he has kept is to deport people whether or not they are criminals of the worst types, drug dealers, murderers, gang members, that sort and yet all I see getting arrested is people trying to go to work.

Wake up republicans, you can say anything you wish to try to defend the president but you can't avoid his golden age and his higher prices.




Yeah but Biden.

This has nothing to do with crime.

 

[bongsaway]

"civil unrest" is what he stated, nothing about violence.

I was around in the late sixties, I know what tear gas tastes like. I've also seen more often than not the violence is triggered with men with batons, not unarmed hippies.

Far more peaceful demonstrations in America have become violent because of the police...I SERIOUSLY DOUBT under Trump that will be any lessened....

I noticed he went right to violence when I did not use that word. They also don't seem to know the difference between despise and hate.

 

[bongsaway]

This has nothing to do with crime.

I think most people are aware of that fact, even if they won't admit it.

 

[Fearandloathing]

As a citizen, you vote.
If you decide to choose violence, that's on you.

In Trump's America it's the state choosing violence.

What should be the response of righteous tax payers who are legally demonstrating their opposition get beaten by soldiers and police?

Law suits have claimed a lot of cash settlements, and some bankruptcies of the violent right, but for the most part they get away with it.

January 6th kind of screws any argument you make. They attacked Americans doing their job and got off scot free.

More of them should have been shot. I suspect a pile of body bags would have stopped this violent revolution then and there!!!

 

[bythoughts]

The states could disband their National Guards and amp up their State Defense Forces instead - which cannot be taken over by the federal government. This should depend on things like how recruitment and budget considerations are affected by these stunts.

 

[Bum]

What, then, do you recommend?

Trump is violating the constitution in deploying troops against Americans.

I guess, then, as you oppose opposition you must support occupation.

Did you really use the "If you are not with us, you are against us" argument? Shades of George Bush.
I support neither...it's actually possible.

I noticed he went right to violence when I did not use that word. They also don't seem to know the difference between despise and hate.

Were you not advocating for a state governor to muster the national guard against the Federal government? How do you suppose that would actually work? harsh language? Play word games if you like, but the implication is clear enough for anyone not being disingenuous.

 

[Bum]

In Trump's America it's the state choosing violence.

What should be the response of righteous tax payers who are legally demonstrating their opposition get beaten by soldiers and police?

Law suits have claimed a lot of cash settlements, and some bankruptcies of the violent right, but for the most part they get away with it.

January 6th kind of screws any argument you make. They attacked Americans doing their job and got off scot free.

More of them should have been shot. I suspect a pile of body bags would have stopped this violent revolution then and there!!!

I didn't and do not support January 6th...do you?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Did you really use the "If you are not with us, you are against us" argument? Shades of George Bush.
I support neither...it's actually possible.

Were you not advocating for a state governor to muster the national guard against the Federal government? How do you suppose that would actually work? harsh language? Play word games if you like, but the implication is clear enough for anyone not being disingenuous.

I really wish I could put you on ignore

You're abusing your status

This isn't the ****ing dungeon

 

[Bum]

I really wish I could put you on ignore

You're abusing your status

This isn't the ****ing dungeon

My status is not at issue here; the OP's statements are....you do not have to respond to me, you are not obligated to read what I post, there is no abuse here save perhaps for your tender sensibilities' it would seem.
In this respect, I am just another poster.

 

[bongsaway]

Did you really use the "If you are not with us, you are against us" argument? Shades of George Bush.
I support neither...it's actually possible.

Were you not advocating for a state governor to muster the national guard against the Federal government? How do you suppose that would actually work? harsh language? Play word games if you like, but the implication is clear enough for anyone not being disingenuous.

The current federal government led by trump is a criminal origination and you want to continue phrasing it as if what trump is doing is morally right regardless of whether he has the authority or not. He declares and emergency and sends in the troops? Dictators work that way. Call in the Illinois national guard to make sure trump's troops are following the law and document every instance where they aren't. Is that illegal?