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Ummm yes you do believe in rights, just not for others. You believe in the Right to keep and bear arms dontcha? Free speech and the right to not associate with any female working instead of mopping the kitchen floor....
Uh, yes? If you want to experience "refusing to do business," perhaps you'd be interested in experiencing first-hand the economic conditions of Cuba or Iran?You make a mistake if you think I WANT the US dealing with these other countries to begin with. These countries kicking us out and refusing to do business with us would be GREAT so far as I'm concerned.
Wishing for social destruction is a sound demonstration of mental illness and an anti-social personality disorder.No smart American should have any more faith in this Government than it does in them. Again, I don't believe in allies. This country needs to burn to the ground and be rebuilt from the ashes, and this simply furthers the potential for that.
Because you don't listen to the personal phone conversations of the Chancellor of one of your biggest allies; who not only happens to be leading our 5th largest trading partner, but is literally [from non-Greek persepective] carrying the EU on her back right now. Their legislature and the EU is fully capable of issuing harsh sanctions against the US.
He opened up that nasty underbelly of espionage/government surveillance/individual's rights violations for the whole world to see...
...making it harder for governments to fool/con their citizens into taking violent actions against other countries whenever leaders want the masses to do their dirty work.
Remember that I don't believe in Rights, Dave. So far as I'm concerned the Government should have the right to do whatever checking on anyone.... You, Me, anyone else they deem necessary to ensure the security of this nation.
We've had Merkel's personal cellphone tapped for decades?This has been happening for decades. What is different now? Whose law was broken?
Uh, yes? If you want to experience "refusing to do business," perhaps you'd be interested in experiencing first-hand the economic conditions of Cuba or Iran?
Wishing for social destruction is a sound demonstration of mental illness and an anti-social personality disorder.
You still haven't answered his question, imo.....
Where is your link to evidence that Snowden's actions 'put USServicemen and women in danger'?
Should Edward Snowden win the Nobel Peace Prize?
(he has been nominated, apparently)
We've had Merkel's personal cellphone tapped for decades?
Edit: Make the claim that esponiage is legal and moral, because treaties "don't matter" and only the US' laws are valid in this world.
If we were having a debate you would be right. However, as the individual in question knows, I do not debate, since it's a worthless form of interaction. I will participate in a discussion of opinions, but that is all and he full well knows that; as you do now.
You still haven't answered his question, imo.
You typed:
'We're talking about an individual who committed a crime under US law and who put USServicemen and women in danger because of it.'
Where is your link to evidence that Snowden's actions 'put USServicemen and women in danger'?
I can respect that. In fact, I agree completely; debating usually is worthless...a waste of time. That is why I usually just look for facts/data to teach/learn and skip the long-winded back-and-forth's.
But, I am quite sure you are aware that making assertions without evidence to back them up leaves the assertion as little more then an unsubstantiated opinion. Fair enough...you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Then show me the link that proves military secrets were/are revealed. There are none. That is the problem. He revealed spying upon private citizens that was and is against the law.
Pakistani activist Malala Yousafzai was 14 when she was shot in the head by Taliban militants in 2012 as punishment for her high profile campaign to encourage girls to go to school.
She was in a pickup truck on her way home her from school when a masked man stopped the truck while another shot her in the head with a pistol.
Malala was flown to the UK for treatment and now attends school in Birmingham.
On 12 July 2013, Yousafzai's 16th birthday, she spoke at the UN to call for worldwide access to education. The UN dubbed the event "Malala Day."
Claudia Paz y Paz is the first female Attorney General in Guatemala, one of the most violent countries in Latin America. She has been heavily influential in the prosecution of organised crime and has campaigned against political corruption.
She has worked hard to bring to justice human rights abusers and perpetrators of widespread gender-based violence
Most importantly she has ensured that, for the first time, those responsible for human rights abuses committed by the military dictatorship during Guatemala's civil war have been prosecuted.
A sociology professor in Sweden has recommended NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Professor Stefan Svallfors said that Snowden's revelations about United States and British government mass surveillance programs had 'helped to make the world a little bit better and safe".
Are you questioning that? I could hardly believe anyone could in good faith.
Can anyone with a straight face tell me that Snowden whistleblowing about Americas spying habits is THE most deserving Nobel Prize recipient?
Malala Yousafzai:
Claudia Paz y Paz:
Edward Snowden:
One of these things is not like the others.
All quotes from here:Nobel Peace Prize 2013: the nominees - Telegraph
Are you questioning that? I could hardly believe anyone could in good faith.
People who have contempt and loathing for the United States and those who serve it question it all day. In their little world, Eddie only revealed spying on the innocent and no U.S. service personnel need worry. Honest, that's how they think.
I am requesting links to proof.
Do you have any?
Can anyone with a straight face tell me that Snowden whistleblowing about Americas spying habits is THE most deserving Nobel Prize recipient?
Malala Yousafzai:
Claudia Paz y Paz:
Edward Snowden:
One of these things is not like the others.
All quotes from here:Nobel Peace Prize 2013: the nominees - Telegraph
If Obama can, why can't Snowden?
Proof of what?
According to wikipedia, 'Since 1901, (the Nobel peace prize) it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.".
As amazing as the actions of the other people you mentioned were/are...I personally don't think they seem to fall under the Nobel peace prize guideline.
No doubt you disagree...fine.
Nobel Peace Prize - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Nobel Peace Prize
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