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Is anyone debating the Lost Cause these days in current political discourse? Citations if you got 'em.
LOLLOLOLOLOLLL.Black people weren't going to pick cotton any more
You're not even responding to the quote this time. Like so many Mad Libs, when something doesn't fit your design, you just make stuff up.That's not a cry to pay immigrants less, it's an assertion that they won't work for those wages.
That's not even close to be as damning as Crockett claiming that illegals SHOULD become the new, poverty-wage underclass because Black citizens, like the rest of the citizenry, want cheap labor. If you're going to do whataboutism, come up with a half-decent example.You don’t need a Dem to do that, Trump already stated the quiet part out loud when he said gee maybe farms and hotels shouldn’t be subject to ICE raids anymore.
I’d trade ten republicans for every illegal worker in this country and we’d be a better, smarter, safer nation for it.That's not even close to be as damning as Crockett claiming that illegals SHOULD become the new, poverty-wage underclass because Black citizens, like the rest of the citizenry, want cheap labor. If you're going to do whataboutism, come up with a half-decent example.
The really dumb part about this, and we had at least one thread on the topic, I believe your fellow traveler Vysky created it, is that what Crockett argued, asked, was who was going to pick our food if the admin is going to remove half of the country's AG workers....because you are not going to get Blacks running to those jobs.I just mentioned one to Gimme: the idea that the country ought to allow illegals to be the new underclass to do the dirty jobs, because supposedly no citizens will do them. Which is stupid because the point of illegals is that companies can underpay them because they're not capable of bringing legal action.
More dodging from you, after I considerately gave you information you neglected to learn.Is this bizarre argument intended to give cover for your sadistically cruel policies toward undocumented immigrants?
Your act of sending an innocent man to a lifetime sentence in a foreign gulag is neccesary to prevent the Democrats from turning him into a slave?
Um, no, AG owners, large and small, want cheap labor.because Black citizens, like the rest of the citizenry, want cheap labor.
All of these things just sound like things that matter to hardcore Mad Lib Progressives, not to Leftie voters. You don't like Biden or Kamala cozying up with Liz Cheney, but I don't believe that pissed off anyone but Righties, who consider Cheney a RINO. I don't think they believed that any Rightie politico would have swayed by the dim possibility that Kamala if elected would toss some important jobs their way. Some of your propositions are too much work to decipher, but they mostly sound like defenses of Progressivism's extremism. I'll conclude by noting that the only time Biden was popular was when his regime was administering the Trump Vaccine and taking credit for the accomplishment. The more he kept yammering about Systemic Racism, as he did for his full tenure, the more he aligned himself with Mad Libs, whatever the actual extremists might believe.A continuation of Biden's moderate policies, after he abandoned his progressive platform (when he was actually popular). Basically the same far-right foreign policy, aligning with Liz Cheney, sidelining progressives and gas-lighting on Israel (also violating American law), more corporate aligned influences with the possibility of firing Lina Kahn, supporting crypto, right-leaning on immigration.
Kamala actively distanced herself from progressives and chose to campaign with Liz Cheney, strongly signaling that this was her preferred alliance, with the stated intent of placing Republicans in her cabinet. It was a very bad look, combined with her propensity to push pro-genocide propaganda.
was throughout his entire term which matched Don's first term according to Gallup.the only time Biden was popular
Since the context is this forum, yes, you are part of the current political discourse at DP, and your views, past and present are included....so....yeah.
I was talking about Dems losing as they continued to dig into their default positions, and you tried to deflect to past arguments about the Civil War. Since the topic seemed so important to you, I directed you to the last time slavery was brought up in public discourse, and that was Crockett's cringeworthy remarks. Your jokes, as you call them, are just lame deflections. with no more in common with humor than a Stephen Colbert rant.No one said it was. This is such a weird diversion from your comment about losers and my response about Lost Causers being experts on losing, on how to deal with losing something over a century ago. But....whatever, it was a joke....and you respond by.... bringing up slavery!
Thanks, made my day.
And now Trump is more popular than he was in his first term, or Biden's in his lame tenure. What's your supposed point?was throughout his entire term which matched Don's first term according to Gallup.
If you wanna laugh at your ignorance, that's on you.LOLLOLOLOLOLLL.
Be sure to ask all your interviewees about their gang affiliations. I know it won't make any difference because Mad Libs love criminality as long as they can hide behind their gated communities, but you ought to ask anyway.I’d trade ten republicans for every illegal worker in this country and we’d be a better, smarter, safer nation for it.
Crockett put out a false paradigm, which is that companies HAVE to pay low rates. Hers, and therefore yours, is the fantasy.The really dumb part about this, and we had at least one thread on the topic, I believe your fellow traveler Vysky created it, is that what Crockett argued, asked, was who was going to pick our food if the admin is going to remove half of the country's AG workers....because you are not going to get Blacks running to those jobs.
But then, I'm letting details get in the way of your fantasies. Sorry.
Why do you imagine that they deserve to cut in front of all the people trying to become citizens the regular way?Um, no, AG owners, large and small, want cheap labor.
I want these workers to have a streamlined, modern process to become citizens or temp workers.
The Democrats should move to the left of Biden on foreign policy, following Trump, and ideally catching up with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Abandon neoliberalism or neoconservativism or whatever, and quit with the expensive foreign wars!- Foreign Policy
The Democrats should move to the left and propose Medicaid buy-in for all on a sliding scale per income, thereby creating a system of universal health care.- Healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid)
The Democrats should stay with the scientists. No one named Kennedy should ever be allowed near their party again, regardless of politics. No Kings.- Public Health Policy (e.g. Vaccines)
Explain the left position. The Democrats should make it publicly understood that only laborers making reasonable incomes pay this tax, which has been used as a piggy bank for every other government expenditure, and now the government laments they're running out of money, having never invested it in anything good. Keep it solvent, but keep it real, ideally with sensible immigration reform (see below).- Social Security
Prepare to move right. The Democrats failed to lay out an exit plan for affirmative action. Everyone could see that the poison of racism was being drawn out, but clearly there was reason for whites to become nervous about being discriminated against when there is no objective criterion saying "yep, we've arrived at equality, no need to worry about this here". Fix that.- Civil Rights
Various directions. Establish and coordinate Five Year Plans with China, making reasonable negotiations to plan how much of what is imported, and to provide some assurance of stable commerce. Do the same with some other countries as feasible, and be friendly to those with which long-term planning is less feasible. Formally acknowledge the 10% baseline tariff as a National Sales Tax, reduce it slightly, but don't make it so imports are cheaper than U.S. produced goods after taxes. Place high tariffs and export duties on all bulk fossil fuels of every variety, except for long term contracts with Canada or Mexico via pipeline, and accommodations for islands such as Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Invest heavily in research, including graphene research, to repurpose culm waste and coal mines to generating strong fibers for infrastructure.- Economy
Move left. Or is it right? Increase legal immigration and make it a workable option. "Amnesty" should apply to illegals in the sense that they should not be disqualified, but they should receive no benefit for proving they violated laws. Arrange to remediate demographic issues (i.e. a Lesser Replacement) and save Social Security. Recognize that gene flow from the rest of the world, especially Africa, is entirely normal for human populations and has been going on for a very long time. Assure every American citizen the right to keep a spouse and children in country with MINIMAL paperwork, in the name of family values. Legitimize and fairly pay migrant workers.- Immigration
Right. Left? Be happy Trump pushed Europe to pay for its own military. Stay out of foreign wars. Restore foreign aid, spent wisely to promote goodwill and ensure that refugees from around the world find safe harbor BEFORE they reach the United States, at genuinely safe areas. Call it the Wall of Food.- Foreign Policy
This is going to be tough for everyone. There is so much corruption I don't know how to get to the bottom of it all. But a big part is that the public can CREATE value by generating their own forums and opinions, outside of professional ads and manipulation.- Political Corruption
Left. Restore science. Let the truth be known. Invest heavily in renewables.- Climate Change
Right. Evaluate everything critically. If any project involving a train or rail or monorail checks out as 100% legitimate, cancel it anyway under the assumption the auditors were corrupt. But fund research and look for ways to make cheaper materials available to states for construction.- Infrastructure
I didn’t vote for a convicted criminal 3 times.Be sure to ask all your interviewees about their gang affiliations. I know it won't make any difference because Mad Libs love criminality as long as they can hide behind their gated communities, but you ought to ask anyway.
Libertarian. Cut and cut and cut. Democrats lost their power on low flow toilets! People evaluate daily lifestyle issues very highly because they are reminded of them every day. But defend against pollution, notably noise, because THAT affects people every single day.- Regulations
Reinvent from scratch and with deep philosophy. Unions are clearly a failed compromise. Look at how government and especially bankruptcy procedures can show favoritism to employee owned or consumer owned enterprises. Abolish new weird patent ideas that ban competition, in favor of a free market economy.- Unions / Labor / Workers Rights
Workers not bureaucrats. You need free and fair forums where everyone can have their say and a fair chance to inform party policy. Like Organizing for America but better. Creating a free and fair forum is THE central problem of democracy!Bonus Question #1
I would be so happy to see the animal rights fanatics float away on an ice floe and no longer troubling the rest of us, I wouldn't care what the effect was on the vote. Not sure that's what you meant, but as you see, my answers are fractious.Bonus Question #2
Um, we are, and we have, so this nobody never argument fails. It fails the more you continue on. I had forgotten how much it causes replies from you.Nobody in the world of public discourse-- which is the topic of this thread-- is talking about the historical issues surrounding what Lame Lefties term "the Lost Cause.
Hmmm...no, he is running in the low 40's just like the 1st term. The point that I countered, that you forgot, is your claim that "Joe was only popular", his popularity remained in the low 40's, like Donny 1 and 2, because we are at a point in time of pretty static partisan lines.And now Trump is more popular than he was in his first term, or Biden's in his lame tenure. What's your supposed point?
No she did not say that, this is beyond gaslighting. I'll repeat it since you keep putting words in her mouth and changing them, she said at a Black Church;Crockett put out a false paradigm, which is that companies HAVE to pay low rates. Hers, and therefore yours, is the fantasy.
How would a modern streamlined immigration system cause them to be "put in front", and where did I say that? Why do you always feel the need to put words in my mouth? Just stick to what I write, not what you imagine.Why do you imagine that they deserve to cut in front of all the people trying to become citizens the regular way?
I don't know if that was a personal jab but I didn't vote for Trump against Hilary, much to my shame. You might care to clarify your comeback.I didn’t vote for a convicted criminal 3 times.
I respond constantly to stupid posts on a variety of subjects, and I'm happy to keep pointing out their stupidities. You sought to shift the topic from the Dems losing in their current public discourse to my supposed advocacy of whatever you think the Lost Cause is, which still has nothing to do with public discourse. That the topic has come up here on this particular forum does not make it "public discourse" of the kind that Mad Libs are failing so badly at. The current "maybe the pilots missed the nuclear facilities" is a perfect example of the Dems' desperation pushbacks. There are probably all sorts of valid ways for Dens to criticize the bombings, but their attempt to take advantage of a leaked low-confidence report is the way they decided to go, because they're mad and pathetic.Um, we are, and we have, so this nobody never argument fails. It fails the more you continue on. I had forgotten how much it causes replies from you.
Hmmm...no, he is running in the low 40's just like the 1st term. The point that I countered, that you forgot, is your claim that "Joe was only popular", his popularity remained in the low 40's, like Donny 1 and 2, because we are at a point in time of pretty static partisan lines.
Actually you quoted an interpretation as well as her words: the part about "crucial jobs that Americans no longer desire," so you're not averse to interpolating those yourself. I maintain that she's falsifying the situation: that the point is not that impoverished American citizens won't take the jobs out of "desire" but because the pay is too low to make the job feasible-- for a citizen who's not living off the grid.No she did not say that, this is beyond gaslighting. I'll repeat it since you keep putting words in her mouth and changing them, she said at a Black Church;
Her comment came during a guest appearance at the 125th anniversary of Grace Baptist Church in Connecticut. In an appeal to those opposed to President Donald Trump’s immigration policies, Rep. Crockett suggested migrants fulfill crucial jobs that Americans no longer desire.
"So I had to go around the country and educate people about what immigrants do for this country, or the fact that we are a country of immigrants,” she said. “The fact is ain’t none of y’all trying to go and farm right now.”
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/am...eds-migrants-because-were-done-picking-cotton
"OK, so I'm lying?" the representative asked. “You're not, you're not. We’re done picking cotton. We are. You can't pay us enough to find a plantation."
Now I'm still willing to entertain your Lost Cause response to Crockett's comments, as I always am.
The illegals are mostly using the asylum system to cut in front of regular immigrants, who are being honest about simply wanting to come here for economic opportunities. There's no "streamlining" our country's bombardment by millions of these fake asylum seekers; that's a fake argument used by Libs trying to shift the blame from the shoulders of immigrants breaking our laws for their own advancement.How would a modern streamlined immigration system cause them to be "put in front", and where did I say that? Why do you always feel the need to put words in my mouth? Just stick to what I write, not what you imagine.
Ah, so you wanted to vote for a convicted felon and rapist 3 times. Okay. Totally different than what I saidI don't know if that was a personal jab but I didn't vote for Trump against Hilary, much to my shame. You might care to clarify your comeback.
Ah, so you wanted to vote for a convicted felon and rapist 3 times. Okay. Totally different than what I said
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