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Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

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W_Heisenberg

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Texas Republicans are pushing for an unusual mid-decade redistricting to increase their advantage in Congress, aiming to flip as many as five Democratic-held seats in cities and along the border.

What should Democrats do in response?

Should Democrats be the "good guy" and continue to act fairly towards Republicans in their states, or should Democrats start fighting back and fight fire with fire?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Texas Republicans are pushing for an unusual mid-decade redistricting to increase their advantage in Congress, aiming to flip as many as five Democratic-held seats in cities and along the border.

What should Democrats do in response?

Should Democrats be the "good guy" and continue to act fairly towards Republicans in their states, or should Democrats start fighting back and fight fire with fire?
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It’s bad no matter who is doing it.

It is obvious subversion of our Constitutional Republic’s need for fair, level, playing fields. Where the will of the people is actually being heard and the fix isn’t in.
 
I do like how many states have adopted, through ballot measures, to create Independent Redistricting Commission (IRC) that are a body separate from the legislature that is responsible for drawing the districts used in congressional and state legislative elections.
I think only like 7 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Montana, and Washington State) have done this but would like to see more follow.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Texas Republicans are pushing for an unusual mid-decade redistricting to increase their advantage in Congress, aiming to flip as many as five Democratic-held seats in cities and along the border.

What should Democrats do in response?

Should Democrats be the "good guy" and continue to act fairly towards Republicans in their states, or should Democrats start fighting back and fight fire with fire?
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It's bad, and while my better self says "no", the other part of me keeps repeating a comment I remember from my Dominican friends: "alofoke". Pronounce it as follows and you'll get what the intended comment is:

ah low foh keh.

:)
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Texas Republicans are pushing for an unusual mid-decade redistricting to increase their advantage in Congress, aiming to flip as many as five Democratic-held seats in cities and along the border.

What should Democrats do in response?

Should Democrats be the "good guy" and continue to act fairly towards Republicans in their states, or should Democrats start fighting back and fight fire with fire?
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No. They should not.

But that won;t stop Texas Republicans.


Look, it's simple and has been resolved for 125 years with a thing called "an independent boundaries commission" made up of all recognized parties

Jerry mandering which what its called used to be illegal in the US.

Amazing how the founding institutions faded into oblivion.
 
They already do. No Republican has won a House seat in Massachusetts or Connecticut in two decades because of the way those states’ districts are drawn.

I bet that’s somehow different.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
It’s bad no matter who is doing it.

It is obvious subversion of our Constitutional Republic’s need for fair, level, playing fields. Where the will of the people is actually being heard and the fix isn’t in.
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Until we get rid of both money in politics; and the EC that won't be achieved.
 
Helix said:
No. If they win, they should ban gerrymandering nationwide.
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Not possible.


Why is it Americans are so immediate about imposing shit? Something goes wrong, ban it!

What you need is a touch of some democracy and the establishment of a proper system, an independent system made up of ALL parties, not just those in control

Some spending limits would help. Imagine a Senator who had to actually meet face to face with constituents!!
 
KingLeo said:
I do like how many states have adopted, through ballot measures, to create Independent Redistricting Commission (IRC) that are a body separate from the legislature that is responsible for drawing the districts used in congressional and state legislative elections.
I think only like 7 states (Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Montana, and Washington State) have done this but would like to see more follow.
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Depends on how they get appointed. If political hacks appoint other political hacks, same difference different name).

A blue ribbon panel of non-political types doing the districting I’m fine with.
 
These sort of ideas always backfire in democrats. I’m just glad Harry Reid saw the fallout of his nuclear option move before he croaked.
 
If Texas goes ahead and bumps up redistricting time frame on Trump's wishes then YES Dems should counter. Don't like it, but warrants doing so.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Not possible.


Why is it Americans are so immediate about imposing shit? Something goes wrong, ban it!

What you need is a touch of some democracy and the establishment of a proper system, an independent system made up of ALL parties, not just those in control

Some spending limits would help. Imagine a Senator who had to actually meet face to face with constituents!!
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Can you provide an instance in which this has happened in the last 50 years? We routinely see the slaughter of school children with guns and yet they are *more* available than ever.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Not possible.


Why is it Americans are so immediate about imposing shit? Something goes wrong, ban it!

What you need is a touch of some democracy and the establishment of a proper system, an independent system made up of ALL parties, not just those in control

Some spending limits would help. Imagine a Senator who had to actually meet face to face with constituents!!
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It's possible. The new imperial presidency only requires an executive order and a legislative and judicial branch that won't do anything about it.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Texas Republicans are pushing for an unusual mid-decade redistricting to increase their advantage in Congress, aiming to flip as many as five Democratic-held seats in cities and along the border.

What should Democrats do in response?

Should Democrats be the "good guy" and continue to act fairly towards Republicans in their states, or should Democrats start fighting back and fight fire with fire?
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Democrats should use every tool at their disposal to squeeze every last Democratic district they can out of every state they control, for as long as they possibly can.
And separately from that, we should have a nationwide ban on gerrymandering, with computers drawing the districts according to pre-defined parameters.
 
Gatsby said:
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And separately from that, we should have a nationwide ban on gerrymandering, with computers drawing the districts according to pre-defined parameters.
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That I can get behind. As long as there are no thumbs on the scale of the metrics that comprise the predefined parameters.
 
Gatsby said:
Democrats should use every tool at their disposal to squeeze every last Democratic district they can out of every state they control, for as long as they possibly can.
And separately from that, we should have a nationwide ban on gerrymandering, with computers drawing the districts according to pre-defined parameters.
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Hit 'em with the pitch, then have the umps eject anyone if they throw afterwards. I like this.
 
To Dems in the thread: check your earnestness at the door for a moment. consider what it would mean to you if they actually did this. They went for it and it worked. You'd be overjoyed at the balls and the action. And it would bode well for 2028.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Can you provide an instance in which this has happened in the last 50 years? We routinely see the slaughter of school children with guns and yet they are *more* available than ever.
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YEAH!

THAT IS MY POINT!

"We routinely see the slaughter of school children with guns and yet they are *more* available than ever."

!Whenever there is yet ANOTHER school shooting the populace goes berzerk and demand gun controls! But NOTHING CHANGES!!!!
 
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