If it is airport policy that every baggage screening area must have two armed policemen present at all times...How was this guy able to stroll around the concourse calmly asking people if they were TSA and shooting at will?
If there were armed cops at the scene why was this allowed to go on so long?
Were the cops on coffee break or something? Why was he able to shoot so many people?
All I have heard was that the police were all heroes. Where were the "heroes" when the shooting started?
Just not enough armed cops huh? Too big to be secure?
Do you think there will be more now?
I liked SMTAs answer much better.I understand your MO this entire thread has been to throw out crazy statements and then attempt to capitalize on strawmen when people call you on said statements....sorry, but it's not my first rodeo with a hyper partisan that thinks acting absurdly makes for good debate. I made no such claim whether there wasn't "Enough armed cops" or suggested it was too big to secure. I simply suggested that acting like two armed LEO's being in the screening area of a Cat-X sized airports somehow means that this absolutely should've been stopped or that they must've been on "coffee break" when it occurred.
As with all things with regards to Airport Security it's an instance of finding the best ratio between the best security possible and the least amount of hassle to the traveling public. Whether or not this causes TSA to try and push for more of their LE Office's presence in the airports is something I don't know and quite frankly really couldn't comment on even if I did know. Taking a guess, I wouldn't be shocked if it's discussed since it was something discussed back during the early days of TSA starting up and when their current law enforcement arm was brought back under their purview some years ago.
I don't particularly think this singular instance necessitates such action, but that's a call way above my pay grade.
I liked SMTAs answer much better.
I believe that most of the "security" at airports are an illusion put in place to placate the people an ease their fears.
I once went through LAX security with a pocket knife.That, and to make us think that the government is keeping us safe from terrorism.
That, and to make us think that the government is keeping us safe from terrorism.
I once went through LAX security with a pocket knife.
Before I went through the metal detector I put my car keys, some change and the knife, that I forgot I had, in the little tray the TSA guy handed me.
He was talking to another TSA officer and joking about the weather or something. On the other side of the detector frame he handed me back the tray having never looked into it. I pocketed my knife and got on my flight to Denver.
Wow did I feel secure.
That is an absolutely true story.
I should add that this was the same weekend that some nut shot up the El Al ticket booth at the same airport.
I once went through LAX security with a pocket knife.
Before I went through the metal detector I put my car keys, some change and the knife, that I forgot I had, in the little tray the TSA guy handed me.
He was talking to another TSA officer and joking about the weather or something. On the other side of the detector frame he handed me back the tray having never looked into it. I pocketed my knife and got on my flight to Denver.
Wow did I feel secure.
That is an absolutely true story.
I should add that this was the same weekend that some nut shot up the El Al ticket booth at the same airport.
The other scary thing about that story is the idea that a passenger can hijack an airliner with a pocket knife.
Before people got paranoid, which is to say, before 9/11, I carried a pocket knife in my front left pocket always. It was just something I had, and I knew it was there any time I needed to open a package or clean my fingernails. I started carrying it at the ripe old age of 10 or so, carried it to school, on airplanes, everywhere, and there was never a problem with it.
Now, it's a big deal to have a pocket knife. It should't be.
Turns out to be an off-duty TSA agent that walked into the terminal in camouflage gear and began targetting other TSA agents.
Killing a TSA officer is almost as horrific as stepping on a cockroach.
You cannot be serious.Killing a TSA officer is almost as horrific as stepping on a cockroach.
You cannot be serious.
Killing a TSA officer is almost as horrific as stepping on a cockroach.
Really? REALLY? You're take on this is such that MURDERING A HUMAN is okay because you dislike the organization?
I can't....words can't even describe.....
Killing a TSA officer is almost as horrific as stepping on a cockroach.
Killing a TSA officer is almost as horrific as stepping on a cockroach.
Here is the story from Wikipedia:I wonder what happened to the guy who shot up the El Al booth. Those guys are known for getting even really fast. A guy I know very well had a criminal case that involved US-Israeli cooperation. He flew to Tel Aviv several times. He said the security was awesome without being bothersome. He had all sorts of clearance and credentials. The night before he left TA on an El Al flight, two security agents asked to meet him in his hotel room. They asked him all sorts of innocuous questions, he being a trained professional realized how good these agents were. and even though he was basically there as a top US law enforcement operative, they still interviewed him. No wonder people don't hijack their planes
On Thursday, July 4, 2002 at around 11:30 am, a lone gunman approached the El Al ticket counter at the Los Angeles International Airport, pulled out two pistols and started shooting at the 90 passengers standing in the line. Initially, the assailant killed 25-year-old Customer Service Agent Victoria Hen, who was standing behind the counter. Later, the assailant opened fire at the passengers as they huddled nearby and killed 46-year-old passenger Yaakov Aminov. In addition, he injured four other bystanders.
After the gunman fired 10 bullets at the crowd, one of El Al's security guards, who was unarmed, managed to knock him down. Meanwhile, El Al's security officer, Chaim Sapir, ran to the scene but was stabbed by the assailant with a fighting knife. Despite this, Sapir managed to draw his pistol and kill the gunman
Was the TSA even really around in 2002? it gets a bit blurry that far back, but I thought they were still being formed...Here is the story from Wikipedia:
To answer your question, he was dead in seconds. I didn't realize it was so long ago but as I recall the shooting took place on a Thursday and I was allowed to fly from LAX to Denver with a knife in my pocket on that Saturday.
The incident really put the TSA on their toes huh?
Was the TSA even really around in 2002? it gets a bit blurry that far back, but I thought they were still being formed...
I think the word "bear " and the word "carry" are similar enough in definition to be construed as having the same meaning. Even by the SCOTUS.
The hypothetical scenario that has been projected here was that the LAX shooter would have been "dropped" before he got off a shot if everyone at the airport was carrying a gun. I am exploring that contention to see if that is a realistic possibility. I am expanding that thought to see if this train of thinking could be applied to anywhere.
What do you think? If everyone at LAX was carrying ( bearing ) a gun ...could this shooting of the TSA officers have been prevented?
I looked it up ... At the time of this incident they had been around for nine months. At that time they were still under the Department of Transportation, not the Department of Homeland Security. Still less than a year since 9/11 and two days after a shoot out at that airport ...you would think they would be a little more diligent about checking passengers for weapons.Was the TSA even really around in 2002? it gets a bit blurry that far back, but I thought they were still being formed...
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