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Nonsense. statistically removing the criminal element, I am in no greater danger than you.
Furthermore, if I live in such a dangerous society and we should ban guns, perhaps after you get them out of the hands of the criminals killing each other, we can open a dialog.
if the wolf is knocking at my door as you seem to imply, why the **** would I give up my gun?
Tell that to the relatives of the young officer needlessly killed in the OPI broke my promise not to argue gun control on the internet, these have all been addressed and dealt with over and over again, I won't waste my time debunking or putting into perspective this hoplophobic statist propaganda.
Being huge in the gun culture myself, from being in the military, a contractor a tactical firearms instructor, to a moderator on the largest carbine forum on the internet, why is it, I can't recall this nonsense ever happening to any of the thousands of people I am acquainted with?
* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day.(1) This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.(2)
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.(3)
* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.(4)
* Anti-gun journal pronounces the failure of the Brady law. One of the nation’s leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that the Brady registration law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did "not [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates."(5)
* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.(6)
Not sure how that changes my point. *shrug*
Have you had a problem with such 'wolves' then ? I suspect you grossly exaggerate your fear of crime over the reality of it in attempting to defend the indefensible
Tell that to the relatives of the young officer needlessly killed in the OP
I'm an ex Falklands war veteran myself with two tours in N Ireland too. Your national statistics speak for themselves
Even the gun crime stats for the best state in the US are far worse than those of any other developed country
Lets look at some facts instead
You were trying to smear me as some rich white guy from an affluent part of England that didn't know any better. I explained that I wasn't
I have no fear of crime, everything I posted so far would lead the rational to conclude as such. I have guns, because I ****ing want them, and as a free man, it is my natural right if I so choose.
Agreed firearms nuts will always try and find new ways to circumvent regulation. We haven't seen such firearms here yet but thats not to say that we might yetfurthermore with the advent of the 3d printer, how do you propose keeping guns out of peoples hands? (well except for cops and the government of course who have never killed people!) /facepalm
And all the info in my link was sublinked to its source materialslate? i've posted contradictory facts backed up by federal data.
You brought it up I didn'tNot even sure how your socio economic status in the UK makes you a gun control expert in the United states. *shrug*
I was simply pointing out you live in a rich english area, far far away from the United states and you don't want to see the truth behind the statistics because you are anti-gun... well no, you are pro-gun in government hands, but not the peoples. We fought and won a war over, partially that, so there's that...
Freedom is not defined by having the greatly increased facility to kill or be killed more easily. Thats more like the definition of fear
Agreed firearms nuts will always try and find new ways to circumvent regulation. We haven't seen such firearms here yet but thats not to say that we might yet
I guess I'm just against the promotion of needless death. I'm funny about that
your fear is your problem, not mine
hoplophobes will always try to blame criminal activity on legal gun owners.
Then where is your call for a ban on cars doing more than 25mph?
or buckets of water?
Football?
Ladders? Stairs?
swimming pools?
beer?
tobacco ?
Why no consistency?
When you can tell the difference between what is an accident and what is an armed intent to violently kill perhaps ?
Is it your belief that deaths in the US are not examined, investigated and that very thing not determined?
If so, you would be 100% wrong.
How you came to such a wayward interpretation of my post is a total mystery :roll:
HAS anyone forced you to own a gun, be around others that own a gun, or sanction owning a gun? If no, then as someone who believes in the freedom, indeed the right to own a gun in our country, I'd say your pretty safe from any trouble stemming from guns...Your fear is irrational, and maybe needs some professional guidance....
It's been pointed out to you time and time again that the vast majority of gun deaths/injury occur in very specific high crime areas. And that such incidents are very low in the rest of the country. Yet you ignored this and *choose* to post....whether you understand it or not I cant tell....that this rate of harm occurs evenly everywhere.
It does not. The example someone gave you were of many things that could be hazardous yet they are common and people dont demand they be removed from the country. And guns harm less people, outside of those criminals inside high crime areas, than pools, cars, dogs, etc.
So my question was, do you think that *we* dont know the circumstances between the gun incidents in this country? We do...it is you that cant seem to understand it.
And its been pointed out to you multiple times that the US is not the only nation with high crime areas. Its just that our criminals find it far harder to kill either each other or innocent victims for that matter because its so difficult to get a gun
Yes and old age kills even more every year too ! :roll: Look up the difference between accidental death and intentional killing then get back to me
Oh you know all right. Your desperation to protect guns first and people second (at whatever cost that represents to your society in lives lost) is quite apparent
You are the one that doesnt understand the difference between accidental and intentional. No one cares if criminals kill each other....our goal would be to change those areas into safer, low crime, more socio-economically successful areas and then the gun issue will recede there just like it is not an issue ANYWHERE else in the country. :doh
The foolishness that does not RESPECT humans enough to allow them to protect themselves but instead be dependent on others is what is very sad.
Treat people like children and they never advance beyond that. THe more responsibility you take from people, the less they will ever initiate to take for themselves. America was founded on people who could and wanted to take care of themselves.
And how are you ever going to do that when all the criminal has to do in order to perpetuate his criminality is send out a non criminal friend or relative to buy a gun for him ?
Our relative gun death rates are the clear indicators of who the foolish are and I know you don't like looking at those
........The foolishness that does not RESPECT humans enough to allow them to protect themselves but instead be dependent on others is what is very sad. Treat people like children and they never advance beyond that. THe more responsibility you take from people, the less they will ever initiate to take for themselves. America was founded on people who could and wanted to take care of themselves.
Wow. It was pretty clear. You dont go after the guns, you FIX the socio-economic situations of the people and communities. That is the most constructive approach, and helps solve many socio-economic issues, not just gun issues. Boy are you myopic. No wonder you cant see big picture, including the diversity of conditions across a very large country.
You are like a broken record and I'm not going to continue enaabling it. Many people have posted here that this is no different than the same harm that comes from pools and dogs and lesser by far than car injuries and deaths.
What, you get to the end of your argument and just start all over? :doh
No further response is needed, just go re-read what's been posted to you.
Undoubtedly had the criminal not found it so easy to access a firearm in the first place this officer would still be alive today
If you won't even open the links I endlessly provide for you then stop wasting my time. :roll:
we really don't care what disarmed subjects in a foreign nation think of our gun laws. It appears you are still mad that 240 years ago we were better shooters than your redcoats
Oh gawd ..... It will be 'we saved your ass in WW2' next :roll:
you have never explained why you fixate on gun issues. we get the fact that your cowardly society decided to engage in a collective bed wetting when ONE nutcase killed a bunch of children. Your country's pathetic response was to punish all the other handgun owners. That makes lots of sense.
now you all seem upset that we can own pistols and you cannot.
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