Shooting Reported at Fort Sam Houtson

[Jredbaron96]

Developing story: Shooting reported at Fort Sam Houston - San Antonio Express-News

A gunman who fired shots at Joint Base San Antonio-Fort Sam Houston on Monday afternoon, wounding one person, has been taken into custody, officials at the post say.
Authorities said the post was locked down around 3 p.m. after the shooting began, and that at least one individual — an unidentified woman — was injured.

Apparently they had some sort of connection. Here's to hoping the victim is okay.

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't know but I been told. Fort Sam Houston is a gun free zone.

 

[Grand Mal]

I don't know but I been told. Fort Sam Houston is a gun free zone.

I don't know but it's been said
'Apacherat' means 'empty head'.

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't know but it's been said
'Apacherat' means 'empty head'.

There have been many Army instalation where large portions of the bases have been declared as "gun free zones"

A perfect example was the terrorist attack at Fort Hood where not one soldier of the hundreds of soldiers who were in the area of the attack were armed because it was a declared probably by some lib as a "gun free zone."

It's a frickin army post. Army men are suppose to have guns.

And military installations aren't suppose to have civilians providing law enforcement or perimeter security. Back when the military provided their own law enforcement and security, you never heard of shooting sprees on military bases.

The whole point is, criminals, gang bangers, terrorist and the mentally ill don't pay any attention to "gun free zones."

 

[Grand Mal]

The whole point is, criminals, gang bangers, terrorist and the mentally ill don't pay any attention to "gun free zones."

Which category includes the retired sergeant-major who fired nine shots, inflicting multiple wounds- none of which is life-threatening?
I mean, geez, an Army sergeant-major, nine shots with a .45 at close range, if he only wanted to hurt her why didn't he use a salad fork? Or maybe he couldn't use his weapon properly?

 

[APACHERAT]

Which category includes the retired sergeant-major who fired nine shots, inflicting multiple wounds- none of which is life-threatening?
I mean, geez, an Army sergeant-major, nine shots with a .45 at close range, if he only wanted to hurt her why didn't he use a salad fork? Or maybe he couldn't use his weapon properly?

First of all, he's was a soldier not a Marine. The U.S. Army stopped being serious about rifle and pistol marksmanship training back in the mid 1960's when they no longer taught "known range marksmanship." The Marine Corps is one of the few in the world and the only branch of the military in the USA who still teach known range marksmanship.

The maximum effective range of any .45 ACP pistol by a trained pistol marksman is 50 yards. That's by a qualified pistol marksman.

If the sergeant major used a .45, it's extremely likely it was a M-1911 A-1. If he fired 9 rounds, then he had to have ejected the magazine and inserted a new magazine after the 7th round was fired because the M-1911 A-1 pistol magazine only holds 7 rounds.

The M-1911 A-1 is a hard handgun to master. One of the toughest to master. But once mastered it's one of the most accurate pistols there is. The recoil of the M-1911 A-1 .45 ACP is the same as a .357 magnum revolver.

 

[Grand Mal]

First of all, he's was a soldier not a Marine.

Oh, so he's criminal or mentally ill. Why didn't you just say so?

The U.S. Army stopped being serious about rifle and pistol marksmanship training back in the mid 1960's when they no longer taught "known range marksmanship." The Marine Corps is one of the few in the world and the only branch of the military

Blah blah blah

Whatever. Irrelevancy snipped from your post.

 

[Wiseone]

Developing story: Shooting reported at Fort Sam Houston - San Antonio Express-News



Apparently they had some sort of connection. Here's to hoping the victim is okay.

Sounds like something targetted and personal, I hope for the victim as well.

 

[American]

There have been many Army instalation where large portions of the bases have been declared as "gun free zones"

A perfect example was the terrorist attack at Fort Hood where not one soldier of the hundreds of soldiers who were in the area of the attack were armed because it was a declared probably by some lib as a "gun free zone."

It's a frickin army post. Army men are suppose to have guns.

And military installations aren't suppose to have civilians providing law enforcement or perimeter security. Back when the military provided their own law enforcement and security, you never heard of shooting sprees on military bases.

The whole point is, criminals, gang bangers, terrorist and the mentally ill don't pay any attention to "gun free zones."

I disagree, that's the first thing that get's their attention.

 

[Wiggen]

I don't know but I been told. Fort Sam Houston is a gun free zone.

Clearly not. Maybe the solution is to require every person at the base to carry a fully automatic weapon at all times. It should make for some interesting nights at the NCO club.

 

[APACHERAT]

Clearly not. Maybe the solution is to require every person at the base to carry a fully automatic weapon at all times. It should make for some interesting nights at the NCO club.

From what I see, it seems that most military bases have become a Club Free Zones. There are no longer any EM Clubs, NCO Clubs or SNCO Clubs.

Seems like Officers Clubs are exempt.

 

[tech30528]

First of all, he's was a soldier not a Marine. The U.S. Army stopped being serious about rifle and pistol marksmanship training back in the mid 1960's when they no longer taught "known range marksmanship." The Marine Corps is one of the few in the world and the only branch of the military in the USA who still teach known range marksmanship.

The maximum effective range of any .45 ACP pistol by a trained pistol marksman is 50 yards. That's by a qualified pistol marksman.

If the sergeant major used a .45, it's extremely likely it was a M-1911 A-1. If he fired 9 rounds, then he had to have ejected the magazine and inserted a new magazine after the 7th round was fired because the M-1911 A-1 pistol magazine only holds 7 rounds.

The M-1911 A-1 is a hard handgun to master. One of the toughest to master. But once mastered it's one of the most accurate pistols there is. The recoil of the M-1911 A-1 .45 ACP is the same as a .357 magnum revolver.

That is interesting. I am an instructor for the Appleseed Project and we teach known distance. We use the old AQT targets, and I hit 14 inch plates at 100 yards with a 9mm pistol. I can also do it with a Walther p22. To think that we, as civilians, are better trained in marksmanship than our military officers are is really kind of disappointing. I would think our guys would have a better chance of making it home if they were taught to shoot before they were deployed. BTW several of our instructors are invited to go on to military bases to teach marksmanship, a practice I appreciate for the safety of our military.

 

[APACHERAT]

I disagree, that's the first thing that get's their attention.

I was just south of downtown L.A. in a highly gang invested neighborhood and I got a good laugh when I saw the yellow signs that the liberal L.A. City Council had put up, "Gang Free Zone."

 

[APACHERAT]

That is interesting. I am an instructor for the Appleseed Project and we teach known distance. We use the old AQT targets, and I hit 14 inch plates at 100 yards with a 9mm pistol. I can also do it with a Walther p22. To think that we, as civilians, are better trained in marksmanship than our military officers are is really kind of disappointing. I would think our guys would have a better chance of making it home if they were taught to shoot before they were deployed. BTW several of our instructors are invited to go on to military bases to teach marksmanship, a practice I appreciate for the safety of our military.

And your probably a qualified pistol expert. Someone who qualifies as a pistol sharpshooter or expert is probably able to put a tight group out to 100 yards.

The average pistol marksman is suppose to be able to put a tight grouping on the target from 25 yards away. A pistol marksman should be able to hit a man size target, one shot, one kill at 50 yards.

Here's the Marine Corps pistol qualification course. Anyone who can't at least qualify as an marksman should consider leaving the military and joining a street gang. ;- )

Standard Marine Corps qualification course for the Beretta M9:

1st stage - 25 yards, 15 rounds slow-fire, single action, in 10 minutes

2nd stage - 7 yards, five strings of one round, starting from the low ready, one double action shot, like three seconds per string

3rd stage - 7 yards, four strings, each string is two rounds, starting from the low ready, one double action shot and one single action shot, like five seconds per string

4th stage - 15 yards, two strings, each string is six rounds, starting from the low ready, first round double action, then two rounds single action, hit slide-lock, reload and fire three more single action shots, 20 seconds per string

https://www.trngcmd.usmc.mil/...Pistol.../ELP 08 M9 Pistol%...‎Cached

Pretty pathetic isn't it ?

 

[tech30528]

And your probably a qualified pistol expert. Someone who qualifies as a pistol sharpshooter or expert is probably able to put a tight group out to 100 yards.

The average pistol marksman is suppose to be able to put a tight grouping on the target from 25 yards away. A pistol marksman should be able to hit a man size target, one shot, one kill at 50 yards.

Here's the Marine Corps pistol qualification course. Anyone who can't at least qualify as an marksman should consider leaving the military and joining a street gang. ;- )

Standard Marine Corps qualification course for the Beretta M9:

1st stage - 25 yards, 15 rounds slow-fire, single action, in 10 minutes

2nd stage - 7 yards, five strings of one round, starting from the low ready, one double action shot, like three seconds per string

3rd stage - 7 yards, four strings, each string is two rounds, starting from the low ready, one double action shot and one single action shot, like five seconds per string

4th stage - 15 yards, two strings, each string is six rounds, starting from the low ready, first round double action, then two rounds single action, hit slide-lock, reload and fire three more single action shots, 20 seconds per string

https://www.trngcmd.usmc.mil/...Pistol.../ELP 08 M9 Pistol%...‎Cached

Pretty pathetic isn't it ?

I appreciate the respect but I consider pistol my weak point. Never tried a course of fire like you've described but I will look it up. My strong point is rifle. My wife is better than I am with a shotgun :lol: But for me pistol is a relatively new pursuit. I have had the opportunity to shoot with some amazing shooters, it took one afternoon correcting my grip and stance to ping that hundred yard steel at a friend's home range. I've done some defensive pistol training as well and got to demonstrate my medical response training on the range after a weak hand exercise where I splattered my thumb via slide bite. Ended up with a nice scar from that, I think the guys were more impressed with my emergency response than my shooting. :lol:

When I'm not on a Kindle I'll post the pic. Pretty gruesome. When it happened I saw the blood splatter like it was slow motion. Then I dropped the injured right hand and finished course of fire, which was quite a feat. I bandaged it between courses and finished the exercise and then put 4 stitches in it when I got home. It was the first time I had ever fired left handed. When I was 18 I had a table saw accident and sawed off the index and middle fingers on my left hand. They were reattached but are short and missing a joint. Turns out it works pretty well as long as I keep my right thumb down :lol:

 

[APACHERAT]

I appreciate the respect but I consider pistol my weak point. Never tried a course of fire like you've described but I will look it up. My strong point is rifle. My wife is better than I am with a shotgun :lol: But for me pistol is a relatively new pursuit. I have had the opportunity to shoot with some amazing shooters, it took one afternoon correcting my grip and stance to ping that hundred yard steel at a friend's home range. I've done some defensive pistol training as well and got to demonstrate my medical response training on the range after a weak hand exercise where I splattered my thumb via slide bite. Ended up with a nice scar from that, I think the guys were more impressed with my emergency response than my shooting. :lol:

When I'm not on a Kindle I'll post the pic. Pretty gruesome. When it happened I saw the blood splatter like it was slow motion. Then I dropped the injured right hand and finished course of fire, which was quite a feat. I bandaged it between courses and finished the exercise and then put 4 stitches in it when I got home. It was the first time I had ever fired left handed. When I was 18 I had a table saw accident and sawed off the index and middle fingers on my left hand. They were reattached but are short and missing a joint. Turns out it works pretty well as long as I keep my right thumb down :lol:

The Marine Corps KR rifle course is at 200 meters, 300 meters and 500 meters.

In 1969 during boot camp I was issued the M-14 and qualified at Edson Range. I qualified as Expert. On the 500 yard line I put 9 out of 10 rounds in the black (#5 ring) the 10th round was in the #4 ring.

A few months later I got my WEST-PAC orders and they took away my M-14 and sent me to Vietnam.

When I arrived in-country they issued me the M-16 A-1 and I qualified shooting Charley. :- )

I didn't qualify with the M-1911 A-1 .45 until after my tour of duty in Vietnam. I qualified at Pendleton and qualified as a pistol expert.

I did attend one of those combat pistol courses some where in Arizona during the 1980's. That's where I learned the "Weaver Stance" and I have it down.