Stinger said:Speaking at a MLK day rally Hillary made the following smear of Republicans.
"When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," Clinton, D-N.Y., told the crowd at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem. "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/16/211637.shtml
Maybe Hillary the only party that had plantations were Democrats and the party that filibustered Civil Rights Legislation were Democrats and the local politicians that set the dogs on black protestors were Democrats.
How dare she use such smear tactics at a day meant to honor Dr. King. Mrs. Clinton owes the Republican party an appology.
And she's the one to talk? They could have used any other puppet in their arsenal and they chose her? Aren't the Democrats trying to get her in the whitehouse?Stinger said:Speaking at a MLK day rally Hillary made the following smear of Republicans.
"When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," Clinton, D-N.Y., told the crowd at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem. "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/16/211637.shtml
Maybe Hillary the only party that had plantations were Democrats and the party that filibustered Civil Rights Legislation were Democrats and the local politicians that set the dogs on black protestors were Democrats.
How dare she use such smear tactics at a day meant to honor Dr. King. Mrs. Clinton owes the Republican party an appology.
danarhea said:A couple stayed with the Democrats, but the rest have been Republican ever since.
danarhea said:"It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
danarhea said:Plantation politics was used in that context, not the rascist context you bring up. Who is playing the rascist card?
danarhea said:.... Dishonest.
danarhea said:First, lets address your lie that the Democratic Party leadership was who persecuted blacks. Actually, the Dixiecrats, as they were called, switched to the Republican party and voted for Nixon due to their anger at various bills passed under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations by the Democratic leaders, which ensured that Black people got to vote without the dogs and firehoses. A couple stayed with the Democrats, but the rest have been Republican ever since.
Now back to the context of what Hillary said:
"It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
Plantation politics was used in that context, not the rascist context you bring up. Who is playing the rascist card? You are. Your take on this can be summed up in a single word..... Dishonest.
Stinger said:Speaking at a MLK day rally Hillary made the following smear of Republicans.
"When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," Clinton, D-N.Y., told the crowd at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem. "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/16/211637.shtml
Maybe Hillary the only party that had plantations were Democrats and the party that filibustered Civil Rights Legislation were Democrats and the local politicians that set the dogs on black protestors were Democrats.
How dare she use such smear tactics at a day meant to honor Dr. King. Mrs. Clinton owes the Republican party an appology.
danarhea said:First, lets address your lie that the Democratic Party leadership was who persecuted blacks. Actually, the Dixiecrats, as they were called, switched to the Republican party and voted for Nixon due to their anger at various bills passed under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations by the Democratic leaders, which ensured that Black people got to vote without the dogs and firehoses. A couple stayed with the Democrats, but the rest have been Republican ever since.
Now back to the context of what Hillary said:
"It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."
Plantation politics was used in that context, not the rascist context you bring up. Who is playing the rascist card? You are. Your take on this can be summed up in a single word..... Dishonest.
aps said:Ahh, danarhea, thank you for pointing out the obvious. I normally am not a fan of Hillary Clinton, but what she said is absolutely true.
This adminstration and the republicans will not allow people to dissent.
stsburns said:And she's the one to talk? They could have used any other puppet in their arsenal and they chose her? Aren't the Democrats trying to get her in the whitehouse?
hipsterdufus said:Look at how John Conyers was forced into the basement when he wanted to have a hearing on The Downing Street memos.
Another good example is when Ted (Bridge To Nowhere/Hulk Tie) Stevens refused to hear a motion to swear in the big oil execs. The Republicans swear in baseball players but not oil executives?
Dennis Hastert fires Joel Hefley (R-Colo.) and two other Republican members from the Ethics Committe because they admonished Tom DeLay.
Any voice that doesn't agree with the party line is dealt with in the sharpest way possible. There is no room for dissent. I'm no Hilary fan - but her point is well taken.
Stinger said:Well let's deal with your lie first. Dixiecrats were NOT Republicans they were Democrats and when their Dixcrat campaign failed they went back to the Democrat party which welcomed them and the were relected as Democrats. And your claim that Democrats switched parties because of civil rights is just as bogus, why would they switch from the party that fought against the Civil Rights bills to the party that was overwhelming in favor of the bills and broke the back of the Democrat filibusters to get the bills passed? And the dogs and firehoses were put upon the civil rights protestors by DEMOCRATS who remained DEMOCRAT.
But let's see you substantiate your claim, other than Stom Thrumond who switched not to deny civil rights, who are you claiming was a Dixiecrat who switched to the Republicans because of civil rights?
Hoot said:Here's how Wikipedia describes Dixiecrats....sounds like most of them are republicans to me.
Stinger said:Well let's deal with your lie first. Dixiecrats were NOT Republicans they were Democrats and when their Dixcrat campaign failed they went back to the Democrat party which welcomed them and the were relected as Democrats. And your claim that Democrats switched parties because of civil rights is just as bogus, why would they switch from the party that fought against the Civil Rights bills to the party that was overwhelming in favor of the bills and broke the back of the Democrat filibusters to get the bills passed? And the dogs and firehoses were put upon the civil rights protestors by DEMOCRATS who remained DEMOCRAT.
But let's see you substantiate your claim, other than Stom Thrumond who switched not to deny civil rights, who are you claiming was a Dixiecrat who switched to the Republicans because of civil rights?
No it was used in the context of black audience at a celebration of civil rights, along with her "and you know what I'm talking about " wink wink nod nod, smear against Republicans. It was meant to paint Republicans as slave owners to that audience. She purposely used that word for it racial conotation. It was disgraceful and she owes an appology. And of course is is a blantant lie on it's face anyway.
SouthernDemocrat said:Dixiecrats were Conservative Democrats.
Civil Rights is a Liberal Ideal.
Of the 10 Republican Congressmen that were in the South, a big ZERO voted for the Civil Rights act.
Of the 87 Democratic Congressmen that were in the South, 7 voted for the Civil Rights act.
...
So, we can conclude that while the Civil Rights Act enjoyed little support among Southern Democrats, it enjoyed absolutely NO Support Among Southern Republicans.
Stinger said:That's politics, no different from Democrats, she could have called it for what is is, but instead pulls the racial card. Oh and did I miss the era of Democrat majority where Repulicans were given just as much power as the Democrats and all their wishes were granted?
hipsterdufus said:Never have we seen so much partisanship and willfull disregard for the minority party and dissenters in the majority party.
I don't get it, aps. Was Murtha "not allowed" to dissent? He dissented and that is his right. Just as it is the right of his detractors to counter-dissent. Quit playing the victim.aps said:Ahh, danarhea, thank you for pointing out the obvious. I normally am not a fan of Hillary Clinton, but what she said is absolutely true. This adminstration and the republicans will not allow people to dissent. Look at how they have treated Murtha. Murtha is speaking from his heart and from experience, yet they are looking to attack his service (surprise surprise--see McCain and Kerry smearing examples).
KCConservative said:I don't get it, aps. Was Murtha "not allowed" to dissent? He dissented and that is his right. Just as it is the right of his detractors to counter-dissent. Quit playing the victim.
KCConservative said:I don't get it, aps. Was Murtha "not allowed" to dissent? He dissented and that is his right. Just as it is the right of his detractors to counter-dissent. Quit playing the victim.
Stupiderthanthou said:When Jean Schmidt called him a coward, was that counter-dissenting? No. It was a snub, one way or another meant to shut him up. That has no place in any formal setting; on the floor of Congress it is an outrage. That is quashing opposition, as is screaming of your opponent "he flip-flops" rather than discussing the issues raised in a campaign, as is refusing to address the Downing Street Memos despite petitions signed by hundreds of thousands of US citizens and dozens of Congressmen, as are a thousand other irresponsible tactics and ploys the GOP has recently taken to using.
Republicans by and large seem to be covering their ears when criticized of late. If you deny that, you are simply doing the same thing.
KCConservative said:I don't get it, aps. Was Murtha "not allowed" to dissent? He dissented and that is his right. Just as it is the right of his detractors to counter-dissent. Quit playing the victim.
KCConservative said:So Murtha is allowed his free speech and Schmidt isn't. I see.
KCConservative said:So Murtha is allowed his free speech and Schmidt isn't. I see.
To discredit Murtha's service is indeed scummy...aps said:That probably isn't a good example of the White House not allowing people to dissent. However, a bunch of cons have taken up a cause to discredit Murtha's service. It makes me sick.
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