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Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

The Jury is still out on Many aspects of Fracking, but on balance it's arguably even been good for the environment due to 42% lower emissions of NG than coal.

Fracking: It’s Good for the Economy…AND the Environment
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Fracking: It
 
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Jeesh. Turning shale into oil ain't cheap. But, hopefully it's worth the cost.


Wait, are we talking about oil shale or shale oil?
 
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And it can be sensibly regulated to mitigate its detrimental effects - of course the GOP doesn't want to do that, due to their apparent abandonment to irrationality.

We can have fracking -- giving us relatively cheap energy for a century, resulting in huge economic growth -- plus sensible regulations to prevent our water supply from being affected.

Once again, conservative ideology stands in the way of progress
 
In this area, SWNY, it is very common to store it in played out NG fields. Storage wells. This is done with huge compressor stations. It's been done for decades.
…and yet it is harder to do, overall. Which is part of why the US BOE stockpiles of NG compared to monthly usage is roughly 1/10 of storage to usage ratio for liquid hydrocarbons.
 
From HoJ's source:

The work wasn't all industry or all government, but both.

Since this is coming from HuffPo, Im guessing you can place the sliding percentages as you see fit.

Another notable quote from the article:

Its worth noting that the renewable budget of subsidies is a 5 times larger than the one for oil and gas. I liked the part in the article about repurposing sub hunter tech for 3D readings of the earth near the drilling area: cool stuff.

My question is pretty simple really though: why would the government spend so much money developing something if its so unsafe? Or is it?
 
Cool.. granted there will be more earthquakes and your water supply will be toxic and flammable and you wont be able to breath because we wont have switched away from oil... but we will have oil!
 
Cool.. granted there will be more earthquakes and your water supply will be toxic and flammable and you wont be able to breath because we wont have switched away from oil... but we will have oil!

Eco alarmist bull****. If you cant begin to prove what you say, maybe you should start with what you can prove.
 
Eco alarmist bull****. If you cant begin to prove what you say, maybe you should start with what you can prove.

I'm not an eco alarmist by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you pump a bunch of deadly chemical filled water into the ground, and leave half of it there, eventually that's gonna bite you in the butt. The underground fairy is working overtime, but she can't magically make it all disappear.
 
Eco alarmist bull****. If you cant begin to prove what you say, maybe you should start with what you can prove.

LOL try googling it and avoid Fox News. European countries are thinking of banning fracking.. well not the UK, because of the risks to the ground water. Not to mention fracking in the UK has caused minor earthquakes in areas there should be no earthquakes..

Not my fault you believe right wing and industry hype over scientific fact. Hell on youtube there are many videos from the US, where tap water is flammable.
 
Natural biological processes can break down toxic chemicals into harmless byproducts given enough time. It would depend upon what the chemicals are and how long it would take them to migrate into groundwater supplies. If the chemicals being used cannot be broken down by nature in sufficient time before intrusion into groundwater, then certainly all the chemicals need to be recovered, or never be pumped in to the ground in the first place.

As for earthquakes, I acknowledge that fracking causes earthquakes. But where on the Richter scale are these earthquakes measuring?
After a little research, most seem to fall below 3.0, with a few being recorded as higher. What does that mean?

Richter magnitude scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As you can see, it's barely perceptible. Larger scale earthquakes can cause damage, but they have to occur in populated areas where buildings can be found. It's also hard to know whether larger scale earthquakes can be attributed to fracking, or just part of the normal seismic activity of an area.

It's obvious fracking is having an environmental impact, and I think oil companies should tread as lightly as possible and take strict environmental and safety precautions to ensure as little negative impact on the local areas as possible. And I also don't think they need to stop altogether.
 

There's [part of] the rub. The fracking fluids are patented and held highly secret. At one time a congressional panel tried to compel one of the manufacturers to reveal, and after some doing they did get a list. However, a good part of that list is still not public information. And that was just one flavor of fracking fluid.

They pump million of gallons of water mixed with these fluids into the ground and estimates I've seen are that up to 70% of it is left in the ground.

We do know this, get those fracking fluids anywhere near a well or an aquifer and the people using that water can light their taps with a match and the water itself becomes a toxic nightmare. That's documented and filmed.
 


Uh huh......

 
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42461.pdf

For example, Colorado requires parties to identify each chemical ingredient in the overall fracturing fluid by its Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) number36 and to provide the maximum concentration of each ingredient within the fluid…
The regulations vary, state to state.

They pump million of gallons of water mixed with these fluids into the ground and estimates I’ve seen are that up to 70% of it is left in the ground.
…in geological formations that had been, and to some extent even after production is complete still are hydrocarbon aquifers. Meaning any water you would find there naturally is not something a sane person would put into their body, or even pour on their body generally speaking. Especially if you do not like the taste of brine.
We do know this, get those fracking fluids anywhere near a well or an aquifer and the people using that water can light their taps with a match and the water itself becomes a toxic nightmare. That's documented and filmed.
That is nonsense. Taps that “light on fire” (more a pop, usually meaning quite dangerous) have to do with the natural gas, the hydrocarbons that are the target of the drilling. What is the cause of that can be “naturally occurring” (yes, that does happen, drill for water and get natural gas, remember these wells are being drilled in areas with hydrocarbons including coal as a common feature of the geology), related to the drilling process of the well itself (geological formation disturbance), a poorly engineered completed well that is leaking from the production zone into a surface aquifer, or the fracking as possible causes. The fracking being at or near the bottom of the list, probability-wise.
 

Not my fault you arent proving jack or ****.
 
Not my fault you arent proving jack or ****.

Fracking causes earthquakes, studies confirm - Technology & Science - CBC News

and

Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica

two of many many articles and studies on the subject.

And no, linking to a right wing blog or rag that attempts to debunk the above is not needed.. I have seen them, and they cant be taken seriously.. it is the same arguments used by cigarette makes when they claim that cigarettes are not addictive and dont cause cancer.
 

From your own article a few choice tidbits:
The researchers did not find evidence that the chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing had contaminated any of the wells they tested, allaying for the time being some of the greatest fears among environmentalists and drilling opponents.
They didnt? Ok, well then...

It might be this but it cant be this. Sounds certain to me.

It should be noted Benzene is a high percentage cancer agent and is immediately detectable and easily. If people were drinking it, they would develop cancers within weeks.

From the other article:

Low magnitude tremors are probably going to happen in a process like fracking. The question is, can it trigger larger ones or increase the likelihood of such. We dont have an answer to that.

BTW, when you introduce slanted articles and dismiss articles slanted from the other side, you arent after the truth, you are after an agenda. But, then, most of us already knew that.
 

Did that article just give Obama credit for Fracking ?

Hillarious. Theyr'e doing most of their oil explorarion on private lands because Obama's done everything in his power to stop oil exploration.

Even Natural gas exploration .
 

Hey Pete, did you bother reading through any of your articles ?
 
Did that article just give Obama credit for Fracking ?

Hillarious. Theyr'e doing most of their oil explorarion on private lands because Obama's done everything in his power to stop oil exploration.

Even Natural gas exploration .
It hasn’t occurred to you that the new areas of development are in parts of the country with a much higher percentage of private lands than prior?
 
Hey Pete, did you bother reading through any of your articles ?

To be honest.. nope. And I see the "issue".. does not change my stand point one bit. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of logic can see that adding chemicals that are flammable (which they are) into the ground will eventually seep to the ground water. And it was only the water they tested... then explain why there is plenty of evidence of flammable water coming out of taps in areas where there has been fracking?
 
It hasn’t occurred to you that the new areas of development are in
parts of the country with a much higher percentage of private lands than prior?

Well they would have to be because Obamas shutting down access to Federal lands.

He even campaigned in Colorado about the need for large tracks of Federal Land their to be used for Natural Gas exploration.

He got elected, and then he shut down those areas.

Swell guy
 
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