Sex-neutral army physical tests

[braindrain]

What questions? You haven’t asked any.

Keep running away. It’s a good look for you.

 

[medi]

The minimum standards are already too low. All soldiers are expected to be able to fight and be fit, in case their desk job is overrun.

I kept hitting the back button of the braindrain and Questerr posts and ended up at your post asking that question, and I can offer that a key part of military training for all specialties is basic firing range qualification. That used to be number one for everyone. There also used to be a standard yearly physical fitness test that wasn't so tough and if passed then all was okay. I do not remember any part of the test that a female trooper couldn't handle.

BUT my active duty years were way long ago, so maybe there were big changes I know nothing about.

My point is, if you passed qualification using an M16 and passed that once a year fitness test, even if you were working at a desk job, you were regarded as able to fight in an emergency situation. Combat readiness involves a whole bunch more than just being in some super high level of physical fitness. If you don't have an NCO or officer to provide tactical guidance, even if you are defending a small perimeter around an admin area of a post, camp, compound, chopper pad, you could be in deep kimchi.

As for what I started trying to understand; what was going on between braindrain and Questerr, I never did quite figure that out. I think I have to give up studying that. I'd have to start all over again.

Oh yes, and I am so old that maybe what used to be is no longer the standards used in our active duty ranks at the infantry level of duty. Anyway, I only used to be a flying bus and sometimes gun runs in a ground support role. Only had to be on the ground in a hot zone twice and that sure was some nasty stuff.

Well, I was grazed by a round during a coup and that was a whole bunch different. Was in the city near what used to be Yongsan Compound where we had the UN hdqs, too. But we did save a few lives in that one. I got in a whole bunch of trouble over that one.

 

[Rich2018]

Same principle. He's already got $35 million in commitments from foreign countries to build facilities here in the US. He's got close to a hundred countries applying to negotiate trade deals
I saw an interesting note in the newspaper this morning. The military is reporting a strong growth in enlistments well above the pace under Biden.
Not a bad start for 90 days

So he's beyond criticism "forever" because of his "achievements" in his first 90 days ???

 

[JoeyJoystick]

If anyone should know about women in the military in dangerous positions, it's the IDF. The results of their experiment? Women seem to do just fine. We have a recruitment problem in this country. We need anyone we can get. This nonsense is just American misogyny.

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Hi ataraxia,

I don't think the OP intend is to discuss whether or not women should serve in the army. He is wondering whether acceptance criteria should be the same for men and women or not.

Me personally, I think women should be included in the army and they do not need to be discriminated against. But I do not think it is wise to include different standards for men and women. If I was a man, I would take them to court and claim discrimination if they did that.

But I love your example. And the IDF is not just an example, it is probably the very best example that shows what role women can play in the army. Maybe they should look how the IDF deals with all this, but that probably won't suit the agendas.

Joey

 

[braindrain]

Hi ataraxia,

I don't think the OP intend is to discuss whether or not women should serve in the army. He is wondering whether acceptance criteria should be the same for men and women or not.

Me personally, I think women should be included in the army and they do not need to be discriminated against. But I do not think it is wise to include different standards for men and women. If I was a man, I would take them to court and claim discrimination if they did that.

But I love your example. And the IDF is not just an example, it is probably the very best example that shows what role women can play in the army. Maybe they should look how the IDF deals with all this, but that probably won't suit the agendas.

Joey

You do realize that Israel doesn’t really use its “combat roles” for females the same as they use their male only units right.
They are mostly used for border guards on the relatively much safer borders of Jordan and Egypt.
While they are expected to respond in the event combat breaks out in the area, they are not deployed to areas where there is a high risk of seeing fighting.

I don’t think people like @ataraxia really understand how females are used by Israel. It’s why they try and use them as an example. Then run away when the facts are pointed out.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

You do realize that Israel doesn’t really use its “combat roles” for females the same as they use their male only units right.
They are mostly used for border guards on the relatively much safer borders of Jordan and Egypt.
While they are expected to respond in the event combat breaks out in the area, they are not deployed to areas where there is a high risk of seeing fighting.

I don’t think people like @ataraxia really understand how females are used by Israel. It’s why they try and use them as an example. Then run away when the facts are pointed out.

Hi BrainDrain,

Thanks for clarifying that. And it would make sense I think.

But the discussion is whether criteria should be the same for men and women or not. And for this we could look at Israel and we would see that the tests for men and women are the same there as well.

It is funny how I feel about this personally. On the one hand I feel very strongly that women should have equal rights. Yet on the other hand I feel that the very thought of a woman fighting in the army makes me feel very awkward. I guess I am too old or don't know what I am talking about since I have never been in the army. I look at my wife and I am thinking about putting her in a display cabinet so she won't get hurt or damaged and there we send women in the army. I just can't wrap my head around that part. I'm normally the kind of guy that opens a door for a lady, carries a heavy box for a lady or stand-up for a lady in need. I struggle picturing women with guns. I already have that a little bit with the police, but not that strong.

Joey

 

[Rich2018]

Hi ataraxia,

I don't think the OP intend is to discuss whether or not women should serve in the army. He is wondering whether acceptance criteria should be the same for men and women or not.

Me personally, I think women should be included in the army and they do not need to be discriminated against. But I do not think it is wise to include different standards for men and women. If I was a man, I would take them to court and claim discrimination if they did that.

But I love your example. And the IDF is not just an example, it is probably the very best example that shows what role women can play in the army. Maybe they should look how the IDF deals with all this, but that probably won't suit the agendas.

Joey

Depends what your criteria fir "discrimination" is.