To me the problem is the kids who don't want to be there and who disrupt the educations of those who do want to be there. Paying for butt-filled seats, whether the state pays for attendance or provides vouchers, only exacerbates the problem. It encourages the schools to chase the money at the expense of the education.
I say school should be state funded, but only the state level on down. No federal. Also, give a school a budget for the year, and they get that amount no
matter what. Kick out the troublemakers, allowing the kids who want to learn the chance to actually learn.
Because privatizing education has nothing whatsoever to do with separation of church and state, maybe?
Our system of public education was once shielded from too much federal interference. It was local operating under state guidelines and regs. Once we allowed the feds to stick their noses in everything went to hell.
Agreed.....except that I am all for vouchers. The only action that will ever provide an incentive for public schools to clean up their act is competition with private and parochial schools.
Total separation. Providing schooling is no more governing than providing boots is governing. The government should govern, and leave producing goods and services to the people.
Yes and no. With some matters it is federal oversight, court cases, and internal changes.
As opposed to private religious schools, which are indoctrination centers rather than education institutions?
Dogmatism is rarely sufficient for effective societies.
Dogmatism is rarely sufficient for effective societies.
Actually it's federal government involvement that is dumbing down America's public schools. They have become indoctrination centers rather then education institutions.
Which of congress' enumerated powers enables it to enact laws that implement "federal oversight" of the people educating their children.
Which of congress' enumerated powers enables it to enact laws that control the education of the people of the states?
Well, my grandchildren go to a Christian private school and they all test out on state testing as two to three grade levels above their mates in the public schools, in science and math their scores are particularly high. But then we actually shopped for the school and keep track.
I know better than get into an argument with a libertarian over Constitutional authority.
How long are you going to ask these Don Quixote-like questions as if they're actually relevant?
Yes.......once the feds became involved, public schools became more concerned with teaching political correctness then reading, writing, and arithmetic. They are more concerned about a child who bites his pop tart into the rough shape of a pistol then they are about graduation rates.
The only reason that is true is that private schools can kick out all of the disruptive elements whereas public schools cannot. When you self-select only the best and brightest (and wealthiest), you get better test results but it's biased, not a fair representation. When everyone is playing by the same rules, let me know.
Name calling is rarely sufficient to justify the violation of the supreme law of the land.
How do you feel about a separation of education and all levels of government. Would you prefer...
1. A total separation.
2. A partial separation.
3. A guaranteed state-provided education for everybody.
4. Something else (specify).
I'm interested in producing improvements in the school systems that is both politically viable and demonstrative of being effective. I'm not interested in rehashing Constitutional arguments with a man that prefers to dine with 18th century men with his imagination than deal with what is in front of him.
Nice attempt, but doesn't comport with reality in this case. The school has all sorts of students, the majority from anything but wealthy folk. Physically and intellectually disabled students in greater number than I've ever seen mainstreamed in public schools. In fact my youngest has been a help buddy for three years now, since first grade.
They are playing by exactly the same rules the state sets for operating an educational institution.
You do realize the federal government has been involved with schools since, well, since before we even where a country. The first Department of Education in the US dates back to1867, but federal involvement predated that significantly. Probably a bad idea to just make **** up and hope no one knows history. You might actually try documenting your claims. Here is one of mine: Land Ordinance of 1785 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Establishment[edit]
A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[3][4] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
In 1979, President Carter advocated for creating a cabinet-level Department of Education.[5] Carter's plan was to transfer most of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare's education-related functions to the Department of Education.[5] Carter also planned to transfer the education-related functions of the departments of Defense, Justice, Housing and Urban Development, and Agriculture, as well as a few other federal entities.[5] Among the federal education-related programs that were not proposed to be transferred were Headstart, the Department of Agriculture's school lunch and nutrition programs, the Department of the Interior's Indian education programs, and the Department of Labor's education and training programs.[5]
Upgrading Education to cabinet level status in 1979 was opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as unconstitutional, arguing that the Constitution doesn't mention education, and deemed it an unnecessary and illegal federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs. However many liberals and Democrats see the department as constitutional under the Commerce Clause, and that the funding role of the Department is constitutional under the Taxing and Spending Clause. The National Education Association supported the bill, while the American Federation of Teachers opposed it.[6]
As of 1979, the Office of Education had 3,000 employees and an annual budget of $12 billion.[7] Congress appropriated to the Department of Education an annual budget of $14.2 billion and 17,000 employees when establishing the Department of Education.[8]
On March 23, 2007, President George W. Bush signed into law H.R. 584, which designates the ED Headquarters building as the Lyndon Baines Johnson Department of Education Building.[9]
Then get involved in state politics. Providing education is a state power, not one given by the states to their union.
Already ahead of you. I already do stuff at the state level with education policy and research.
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