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python416 said:He is almost as bad as Strom Thurmand. At least no one voted for ol' Strom!
Oh wait a minute...
People love to bring up Byrd as an example of how the Democrats are the party of racism. But that is like saying the GOP is respectable because of Sen. McCain. I wouldn't vote for Byrd in a primary, but anyone who isn't writing completely blank checks for the Whitehouse is OK in my books.
One member doesn't shape the whole party. The inductive fallacy of composition is a favorite for the writers of GOP talking points - but that is OK cause most who buy it up don't know what that means anyways.
gdalton said:I didn't see anyone bring up party comparisons, except you :naughty. I just don't like racists no matter which side they are on or how well they handle money.
python416 said:He is almost as bad as Strom Thurmand. At least no one voted for ol' Strom!
Oh wait a minute...
People love to bring up Byrd as an example of how the Democrats are the party of racism. But that is like saying the GOP is respectable because of Sen. McCain. I wouldn't vote for Byrd in a primary, but anyone who isn't writing completely blank checks for the Whitehouse is OK in my books.
One member doesn't shape the whole party. The inductive fallacy of composition is a favorite for the writers of GOP talking points - but that is OK cause most who buy it up don't know what that means anyways.
python416 said:He is almost as bad as Strom Thurmand. At least no one voted for ol' Strom!
python416 said:People love to bring up Byrd as an example of how the Democrats are the party of racism.
python416 said:But that is like saying the GOP is respectable because of Sen. McCain.
python416 said:One member doesn't shape the whole party.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Strom had the decency to finally die. There's nothing decent about Byrd.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Actually, the fact that racism in the South declined in parallel with the rise of the GOP down there is proof enough.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:I don't know anyone that thinks McCain is anything but an embarassment.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:No, true enough. Name a Democrat that's not a racist. Hint: It can't be a person that supports Affirmative Action. It can't be a person that supports any gender or racial requirement for appointments to the federal judiciary. It can't be any person that opposes true color blind application of the law.
And that eliminates every single Democrat in the federal government.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Strom had the decency to finally die. There's nothing decent about Byrd.
Actually, the fact that racism in the South declined in parallel with the rise of the GOP down there is proof enough.
I don't know anyone that thinks McCain is anything but an embarassment.
No, true enough. Name a Democrat that's not a racist. Hint: It can't be a person that supports Affirmative Action. It can't be a person that supports any gender or racial requirement for appointments to the federal judiciary. It can't be any person that opposes true color blind application of the law.
And that eliminates every single Democrat in the federal government.
Ladies & Gentlemen!...SouthernDemocrat said:Look, there Los Angeles, I was born and raised in the South. Johnson lost the Democrats the south for a generation because of civil rights legislation. Do you honestly think that Southerners vote Republican because of Supply Side Economics? Of course not, they vote Republican because just about all their favorite racists Dixiecrats jumped over to the Republican Party and about all the north eastern liberal Republicans left the Republican Party. That’s why. Racism, bigotry, and gun laws are the only reason the Solid South is now solidly red. Every Republican I know in the south who was a Democrat left the Democratic party and went Republican for racist reasons.
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Lott, Reagan and Republican Racism
If the GOP wants to attract black voters, argues TIME's Jack White, it must confront the legacy not only of Trent Lott, but also of former President Reagan
By JACK WHITE
Posted Saturday, Dec. 14, 2002
Here's some advice for Republicans eager to attract more African-American supporters: don't stop with Trent Lott. Blacks won't take their commitment to expanding the party seriously until they admit that the GOP's wrongheadedness about race goes way beyond Lott and infects their entire party. The sad truth is that many Republican leaders remain in a massive state of denial about the party's four-decade-long addiction to race-baiting. They won't make any headway with blacks by bashing Lott if they persist in giving Ronald Reagan a pass for his racial policies.
The same could be said, of course, about such Republican heroes as, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon or George Bush the elder, all of whom used coded racial messages to lure disaffected blue collar and Southern white voters away from the Democrats. Yet it's with Reagan, who set a standard for exploiting white anger and resentment rarely seen since George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, that the Republican's selective memory about its race-baiting habit really stands out.
Space doesn't permit a complete list of the Gipper's signals to angry white folks that Republicans prefer to ignore, so two incidents in which Lott was deeply involved will have to suffice. As a young congressman, Lott was among those who urged Reagan to deliver his first major campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in one of the 1960s' ugliest cases of racist violence. It was a ringing declaration of his support for "states' rights" — a code word for resistance to black advances clearly understood by white Southern voters.
Then there was Reagan's attempt, once he reached the White House in 1981, to reverse a long-standing policy of denying tax-exempt status to private schools that practice racial discrimination and grant an exemption to Bob Jones University. Lott's conservative critics, quite rightly, made a big fuss about his filing of a brief arguing that BJU should get the exemption despite its racist ban on interracial dating. But true to their pattern of white-washing Reagan's record on race, not one of Lott's conservative critics said a mumblin' word about the Gipper's deep personal involvement. They don't care to recall that when Lott suggested that Reagan's regime take BJU's side in a lawsuit against the Internal Revenue Service, Reagan responded, "We ought to do it." Two years later the U.S. Supreme Court in a resounding 8-to-1 decision ruled that Reagan was dead wrong and reinstated the IRS's power to deny BJU's exemption.
Republican leaders and their apologists tend to go into a frenzy of denial when members of the liberal media cabal bring up these inconvenient facts. It's that lack of candor, of course, that presents the biggest obstacle to George W. Bush's commendable and long overdue campaign to persuade more African-Americans to defect from the Democrats to the Republicans. It's doomed to fail until the GOP fesses up its past addiction to race-baiting, and makes a sincere attempt to kick the habit.
Kandahar said:Hardly. What "proof" is there that the former was caused by the latter? None.
Kandahar said:McCain is an honest man who is willing to tell it like it is (or at least how he believes it to be), even at the expense of his own party. Republicans who dislike him for no reason other than because he's a vocal critic of George Bush are nothing but partisan hacks.
Kandahar said:That's just stupid. People can't disagree with you on any racial issues without being a racist? You're just as much of a race-baiter as Al Sharpton.
SouthernDemocrat said:Look, there Los Angeles, I was born and raised in the South. Johnson lost the Democrats the south for a generation because of civil rights legislation. Do you honestly think that Southerners vote Republican because of Supply Side Economics? Of course not, they vote Republican because just about all their favorite racists Dixiecrats jumped over to the Republican Party and about all the north eastern liberal Republicans left the Republican Party. That’s why. Racism, bigotry, and gun laws are the only reason the Solid South is now solidly red. Every Republican I know in the south who was a Democrat left the Democratic party and went Republican for racist reasons.
SouthernDemocrat said:You want to more Blacks to vote Republican, quite race baiting in the South, and quit acting like Blacks are a bunch of morons for not voting Republican.
Canuck said:all southerners are racist to one degree or another
they were brought up that way they cant help being ignorant
today its all kept in the closet but its still there ready to rear its head from time to time
python416 said:He is almost as bad as Strom Thurmand. At least no one voted for ol' Strom!
One member doesn't shape the whole party. The inductive fallacy of composition is a favorite for the writers of GOP talking points - but that is OK cause most who buy it up don't know what that means anyways.
SouthernDemocrat said:I would never vote for Byrd. You would think at his age he would want to finally retire anyway. Your right though, the GOP, otherwise known as the White Male Christian Conservative Party, loves to point to Byrd as an example of racism, but what they seem to overlook is that Byrd was the only Dixiecrat that did not jump over the Republican ranks during the Civil Rights days.
SouthernDemocrat said:Look, there Los Angeles, I was born and raised in the South.
Johnson lost the Democrats the south for a generation because of civil rights legislation.
Do you honestly think that Southerners vote Republican because of Supply Side Economics?
Of course not, they vote Republican because just about all their favorite racists Dixiecrats jumped over to the Republican Party
Racism, bigotry, and gun laws are the only reason the Solid South is now solidly red.
Every Republican I know in the south who was a Democrat left the Democratic party and went Republican for racist reasons.
Canuck said:all southerners are racist to one degree or another
they were brought up that way they cant help being ignorant
today its all kept in the closet but its still there ready to rear its head from time to time
Stinger said:Then why do Democrats and liberals try to paint the Republican Civil Rights record on the one man, Thurmonds Democrat record on Civil Rights?
Canuck said:I just love ameican politics
reps and Dems attack each other and you both are one and the same fronts for the american elite
like morons fighting each other and your real enemy looks on laughing at how you have all been duped
silly people up against an enemy from within
without a clue as to the enemy really is
all southerners are racist to one degree or another
they were brought up that way they cant help being ignorant
today its all kept in the closet but its still there ready to rear its head from time to time
python416 said:All I was trying to get at was that the GOP policies are designed to restrict migration of wealth,
and that would have been the case even without Strom. Regardless of how civil rights evolved, in today's America, the poor are isolated.
The news coverage of Katrina only proved it visually for the whole world to see.
Not all of this was the GOP's fault, but the GOP surely has not done anything to improve the situation, despite their obligation to do so.
In my country (Canada) we don't really think of minorities as a different "segment" of society,
but in the US, from the news at least, it is obvious that they are a specificly targetable demographic.
So given that the US minority population as a whole has less wealth than white america,
IMHO, (and I am not black, white, or American), it would be more benefitial for minorities to vote non-Rebulican.
And the fact the Bryd was in the KKK, or the Strom was the person he was, doesn't take ANYTHING away from the above hypothosis.
Stinger said:While I disagree with your framing of it are you suggesting it is the role of government to make sure wealth "migrates". How about insuring a safe and secure country where people can use thier talents and the opportunities the country presents to create wealth? Wealth is not a fixed amount, it's not a pie to be divided up. But what policies are you talking about?
Stinger said:Isolated from what? Our "poor" are the "richest" poor in the world. They mostly have cars, if not two, they mostly live in air conditioned and centrally heated homes, they have plenty to eat, they have free medical care, they have free education. Spending on intitlements aimed at the poor have skyrocketed under Bush, so where exactly do you find the isolation?
Stinger said:Proved what? That if you don't take advantage of the educational opportunities in this country you will fail. That if you choose to have children out of wedlock you will fail and you set your children up for the same? That if you do not hold off from getting married until you are 20 that you mostly likely will fail? That if you engage in drug usage and criminal activity you will probably fail?
Stinger said:What more should they do go down there and drag those people out of thier homes and into schools? Go down and sterilize all the black women?
Stinger said:And you don't have near the "minorities" we have here so you so maybe you don't think about them at all.
Stinger said:Well there are lots of "specificly targetable demographic"'s so why does being one make you poor?
Stinger said:Well that depends on the "minority population" you are talking about. Asians are a minority and I believe they do better than average. Jews are a minority but I believe they do better than average. There are many many blacks who make the average and far and above so obviously it is not simply because your skin is black is it.
Why when under Repbulican driven programs such as wel-fare reform poverty is going down. Why when under Republican driven programs such as No-Child-Left-Behind test scores for black children have risen. Why when under Republican driven programs black home ownership is at an all time high? Why when Democrats offer nothing but handouts and wel-fare enslavement?
Stinger said:Sorry but what was they hypsothosis again?
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