rush limbaugh never made his followers (i. e. the GOP voting public) aware of this map. In fact, they're not supposed to see it.
So why respond to my post? Especially with some nutty right wing rhetoric?
Let Canada build a pipeline to either of their coasts .
Your gonna threaten impeachment over a veto?
The GOP members of Congress were given orders to pass the Keystone bill and to impeach Obama (presumably over some other drummed up charge) if he refused to sign it.
Which is incredibly idiotic.
Nope. The GOP already tried the same tactic against Clinton, so they would've gladly done it again.
That was in response to a poster who claimed XL would create only 50 permanent jobs. That is 50 more than the trillion dollar stimulus created.
Then you are using different standards as to job creation. Clearly it will take more than 50 people to construct this pipeline. Thousands, in fact. But the opponents keep using the number 50. Infrastructure jobs only last until the infrastructure that is being funded is finished. When the funds run out, so do the jobs, so I don't know where this million permanent stimulus jobs number comes from.It wasn't a trillion dollars, a large portion of money was lower taxes, and it is credited with creating over a million jobs.
Then you are using different standards as to job creation. Clearly it will take more than 50 people to construct this pipeline. Thousands, in fact. But the opponents keep using the number 50. Infrastructure jobs only last until the infrastructure that is being funded is finished. When the funds run out, so do the jobs, so I don't know where this million permanent stimulus jobs number comes from.
Increased oil supply.50 is the permanent jobs created through the pipeline. Job creation of the pipeline is what is being sold to the public. Those temporary stimulus projects provided obvious long term benefits, a renovated school, a renovated bridge or roadways.
What is the long term benefit of the pipeline other than those 50 jobs? What is the long term cost?
I don't support it for the jobs, I support it for the fuelI personally think Keystone is a dumb thing to fall on your sword over for environmentalist. That stuff is going to be refined and sold. At the same time, acting like Keystone is some "jobs bill" by Republicans is just crap. It's Congress basically using imminent domain for big oil. Congrats, you have now supported a bill to take large amounts of private property from people for 50 permanent jobs.
Increased oil supply.
I don't support it for the jobs, I support it for the fuel
Keystone XL is an export pipeline. The Port Arthur, Texas, refiners at the end of its route are focused on expanding exports to Europe, and Latin America. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks.
•Valero, the key customer for crude oil from Keystone XL, has explicitly detailed an export strategy to its investors. Because Valero’s Port Arthur refinery is in a Foreign Trade Zone, the company can carry out its strategy tax-free.
•In a shrinking U.S. market, Keystone XL is not needed. Since the project was announced, the oil industry acknowledges that higher fuel economy standards and slow economic growth mean declining U.S. oil demand, even as domestic production is booming. Oil from Keystone XL will therefore displace American crude from new, “unconventional” domestic fields in Texas or North Dakota.
“To issue a presidential permit for the Keystone XL, the Administration must find that the pipeline serves the national interest,” said Stephen Kretzmann, executive director of Oil Change International. “An honest assessment shows that rather than serving U.S. interests, Keystone XL serves only the interests of tar sands producers and shippers, and a few Gulf Coast refiners aiming to export the oil.”
I don't mind being somewhat dependent upon a country like Canada for our energy. Plus the pipeline is sort of co-dependence. They drill, we refine. That's a good partnership with about the best ally the US hasI thought the goal was to be energy independent? More foreign oil won't help that goal. It is more likely to raise prices than lower them, right now there is a glut of Canadian oil in the Midwest. That will change with the XL and those refiners are doing it for export.
Report: Exporting Energy Security: Keystone XL Exposed - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International
Just because its been done in the past does not mean its a smart tactic...
I think your a little confused about how impeachment works.... They are going to impeach Obama because the Senate didnt pass a bill you like?The GOP could easily impeach in the House
What charges are you bringing up? "The Senate didnt pass Keystone"? Thats not illegal, thats called the legislative process. Just cuz you didnt get enough votes based on Senate rules is not an impeachable offense.and only need to pick up 8 Dem votes to convict in the Senate,
Which is not a impeachable offensewhich is ridiculously easy in this case since Dems like Landrieu, etc. are all under the same orders from the API to pass Keystone.
I think your a little confused about how impeachment works.... They are going to impeach Obama because the Senate didnt pass a bill you like?
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