Seek and ye shall find

[wolfman24]

I apologize in advance if this is not the right place.

Besides raising some ideas and questions I am curious to see how far this discussion will go before some one blasts or insults me.

Ok

I am not a Christian in fact I don't believe in any organized religion but I will stay out of why. I do believe in a Creator but IT is not human nor has any form at all since as the burning bush said to Moses "I am that I am". I believe this means the Creator is every present and in all things.

Believe or not this was once (about 2000 years ago) a very popular viewpoint of many of those who would become "Christians" but for a number of reasons their beliefs were suppressed violently.

My first question is IF someone believes in a single Creator or God or whatever, WHY are they not part of the club. Most of the Western and some Eastern religions believe in a single Deity who is loving, merciful and all knowing. Is this not how most Christians view God and if you disagree my second question is

What gives Christians the corner market on God. He chose the Jews as his chosen people, he supposedly appeared to the Indians more than 1000 years ago and people of other faiths have done what could pass as miracles which according to the Bible can only be done if the power of God is with them.
What is so hard about accepting that GOD can do what he wants and not have to rely on the opinion or decrees of Christians. I am not trying to pick a fight I just want to understand this curious reluctance.

The next question is IF God is loving GOD and has decreed in the Commandments that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" and Jesus said from his own mouth. "Judge not lest be judged" and "whatever you do to the least of my neighbors so you do onto me" and MY favorite which I believe is a commandment given to "us" by Jesus "love thy neighbor (read everyone) as thyself". Why do so many Christian or declared Christians say horrible things about people (ex Obama) or groups (like gays or liberals) they have never met or know nothing about when the central message from God is love. I realize we are humans and I have been known to do this stuff myself but I just don't get it.

We should learn about these other people and groups and then if we disagree with them then do it in a more civil and "Christian" way. Or am I missing something.

Now the next point may be a bit touchy but I would like to know why so many Christians call Jesus, Jesus Christ. When Jesus was alive he would not have had a second name. He would have been called Jesus bar Josef (Jesus son of Josef) or Jesus of Nazareth. Besides the word Christ is not a name but a word which comes from the Greek Christi or the anointed one. Is it just habit?

So if I have offended anyone I apologize for it. I am not known for my tact. But I am asking serious questions because I don't understand why people who call themselves Christians are so negative.

I have other questions but I feel they might be too controversial for what I am trying to do here.

 

[cando]

Seek and ye shall find? Bull and ye shall shiit.

 

[countryboy]

I apologize in advance if this is not the right place.

Besides raising some ideas and questions I am curious to see how far this discussion will go before some one blasts or insults me.

Ok

I am not a Christian in fact I don't believe in any organized religion but I will stay out of why. I do believe in a Creator but IT is not human nor has any form at all since as the burning bush said to Moses "I am that I am". I believe this means the Creator is every present and in all things.

Believe or not this was once (about 2000 years ago) a very popular viewpoint of many of those who would become "Christians" but for a number of reasons their beliefs were suppressed violently.

My first question is IF someone believes in a single Creator or God or whatever, WHY are they not part of the club. Most of the Western and some Eastern religions believe in a single Deity who is loving, merciful and all knowing. Is this not how most Christians view God and if you disagree my second question is

What gives Christians the corner market on God. He chose the Jews as his chosen people, he supposedly appeared to the Indians more than 1000 years ago and people of other faiths have done what could pass as miracles which according to the Bible can only be done if the power of God is with them.
What is so hard about accepting that GOD can do what he wants and not have to rely on the opinion or decrees of Christians. I am not trying to pick a fight I just want to understand this curious reluctance.

The next question is IF God is loving GOD and has decreed in the Commandments that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" and Jesus said from his own mouth. "Judge not lest be judged" and "whatever you do to the least of my neighbors so you do onto me" and MY favorite which I believe is a commandment given to "us" by Jesus "love thy neighbor (read everyone) as thyself". Why do so many Christian or declared Christians say horrible things about people (ex Obama) or groups (like gays or liberals) they have never met or know nothing about when the central message from God is love. I realize we are humans and I have been known to do this stuff myself but I just don't get it.

We should learn about these other people and groups and then if we disagree with them then do it in a more civil and "Christian" way. Or am I missing something.

Now the next point may be a bit touchy but I would like to know why so many Christians call Jesus, Jesus Christ. When Jesus was alive he would not have had a second name. He would have been called Jesus bar Josef (Jesus son of Josef) or Jesus of Nazareth. Besides the word Christ is not a name but a word which comes from the Greek Christi or the anointed one. Is it just habit?

So if I have offended anyone I apologize for it. I am not known for my tact. But I am asking serious questions because I don't understand why people who call themselves Christians are so negative.

I have other questions but I feel they might be too controversial for what I am trying to do here.

Perhaps you should better understand what Christianity teaches before forming such a wrong headed opinion on Christianity. :shrug:

 

[wolfman24]

Perhaps you should better understand what Christianity teaches before forming such a wrong headed opinion on Christianity. :shrug:

Have you actually read some of the quotes on this forum from people who claim to be Christians?

And it only took 3 posts before someone made a comment about me with no actual idea of what my background is, what I believe or who I am. Perhaps my statements are not so "wrong headed after all. Read the Commandments especially 9 and 12

 

[countryboy]

Have you actually read some of the quotes on this forum from people who claim to be Christians?

And it only took 3 posts before someone made a comment about me with no actual idea of what my background is, what I believe or who I am. Perhaps my statements are not so "wrong headed after all. Read the Commandments especially 9 and 12

There are whackos in every ideology, but again, your obvious ignorance of what Christianity teaches is apparent. Get back to me when you have an actual working knowledge. I made no comment about what you believe or who you are, only about your ignorance where Christianity is concerned. The 12th commandment? I rest my case.

 

[wolfman24]

There are whackos in every ideology, but again, your obvious ignorance of what Christianity teaches is apparent. Get back to me when you have an actual working knowledge. I made no comment about what you believe or who you are, only about your ignorance where Christianity is concerned. The 12th commandment? I rest my case.

That is exactly my point. And your lack of knowledge is equally apparent. I suggest you read the New Testament and pay particular attention to what Jesus said after he says these words.
"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind and soul AND Love thy neighbor as thy self". Of course if you are reading a "revised" Bible you may not find it like the New Bible or the Living Bible or the Word. They seemed to have forgotten to add it.

You mistake is somewhat understandable since most "Christians" don't know those words exist.

And again your statements about what I know or don't know or what I understand or don't ARE comments about me, what I believe, who I am. EX "Your ignorance of Christianity." that is bull**** cause who DON'T know what I know or could not possibly know what I know or don't know from my post.

So I said that Christianity in its truist form teaches love, peace, consideration for your fellow man and the pursuit of faith. Please explain what is wrong with that idea or how is that an ignorance of what true Christianity teaches. My point is that in my experience those ideas have been perverted to express the opposite idea. All you have to do is listen to our "Christian" politicians, people on this forum and a good number of so-called TV preachers who blast away against people they do not agree with but have no personal knowledge of like gays, liberals, the press, or anyone else.

The part of the Bible that deals with the end of days goes into more detail than that and why it has happened. I suggest you read that as well.

 

[countryboy]

That is exactly my point. And your lack of knowledge is equally apparent. I suggest you read the New Testament and pay particular attention to what Jesus said after he says these words.
"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind and soul AND Love thy neighbor as thy self". Of course if you are reading a "revised" Bible you may not find it like the New Bible or the Living Bible or the Word. They seemed to have forgotten to add it.

You mistake is somewhat understandable since most "Christians" don't know those words exist.

And again your statements about what I know or don't know or what I understand or don't ARE comments about me, what I believe, who I am. EX "Your ignorance of Christianity." that is bull**** cause who DON'T know what I know or could not possibly know what I know or don't know from my post.

So I said that Christianity in its truist form teaches love, peace, consideration for your fellow man and the pursuit of faith. Please explain what is wrong with that idea or how is that an ignorance of what true Christianity teaches. My point is that in my experience those ideas have been perverted to express the opposite idea. All you have to do is listen to our "Christian" politicians, people on this forum and a good number of so-called TV preachers who blast away against people they do not agree with but have no personal knowledge of like gays, liberals, the press, or anyone else.

The part of the Bible that deals with the end of days goes into more detail than that and why it has happened. I suggest you read that as well.

So which Bible is the 12th commandment in? Educate me.

But be forewarned, I do not suffer silly games, or games of twenty questions. If you want to have a friendly, or even spirited debate, fine. But if you are going to attempt to send me on some wild goose chase, you can find another victim.

 

[wolfman24]

So which Bible is the 12th commandment in? Educate me.

But be forewarned, I do not suffer silly games, or games of twenty questions. If you want to have a friendly, or even spirited debate, fine. But if you are going to attempt to send me on some wild goose chase, you can find another victim.

This is no game and I don't do that. The Bible I use is the King James but I have also heard it is in the King John version.

Also be advised that according to the Torah there are actually more than 6000 "commandments" but only 10 are seen as Capital Commandments and these are the ones adopted by the Christians and Muslims.

The others were more like "Thou shalt do this or thou shalt do that. Many are alive and well today in the Hassidic Jewish communities.

 

[countryboy]

This is no game and I don't do that. The Bible I use is the King James but I have also heard it is in the King John version.

Also be advised that according to the Torah there are actually more than 6000 "commandments" but only 10 are seen as Capital Commandments and these are the ones adopted by the Christians and Muslims.

The others were more like "Thou shalt do this or thou shalt do that. Many are alive and well today in the Hassidic Jewish communities.

While the KJV is beautiful and poetic, it is among the least accurately translated versions of the Bible. You'll have to be more specific on the 12th commandment. Please just cite chapter and verse. This is your last chance.

 

[wolfman24]

While the KJV is beautiful and poetic, it is among the least accurately translated versions of the Bible. You'll have to be more specific on the 12th commandment. Please just cite chapter and verse. This is your last chance.

I guess we are going to agree to disagree about the King James. I use it because it is the least "revised". My edition in from the 1920's.

Also is that a threat?

So instead of going round and round I will quote what it says "And these Commandments I do give onto you." In my version it is located at Mark 22:36, But like I said it is missing from many other "versions" of the Bible.

If you still don't get it I guess we are done here.

 

[Sherman123]

This is no game and I don't do that. The Bible I use is the King James but I have also heard it is in the King John version.

Also be advised that according to the Torah there are actually more than 6000 "commandments" but only 10 are seen as Capital Commandments and these are the ones adopted by the Christians and Muslims.

The others were more like "Thou shalt do this or thou shalt do that. Many are alive and well today in the Hassidic Jewish communities.

What? No, the Torah does not say that. There are 613 Mitzvot, not '6,000'.

 

[Sherman123]

I apologize in advance if this is not the right place.

Besides raising some ideas and questions I am curious to see how far this discussion will go before some one blasts or insults me.

Ok

I am not a Christian in fact I don't believe in any organized religion but I will stay out of why. I do believe in a Creator but IT is not human nor has any form at all since as the burning bush said to Moses "I am that I am". I believe this means the Creator is every present and in all things.

Believe or not this was once (about 2000 years ago) a very popular viewpoint of many of those who would become "Christians" but for a number of reasons their beliefs were suppressed violently.

My first question is IF someone believes in a single Creator or God or whatever, WHY are they not part of the club. Most of the Western and some Eastern religions believe in a single Deity who is loving, merciful and all knowing. Is this not how most Christians view God and if you disagree my second question is

What gives Christians the corner market on God. He chose the Jews as his chosen people, he supposedly appeared to the Indians more than 1000 years ago and people of other faiths have done what could pass as miracles which according to the Bible can only be done if the power of God is with them.
What is so hard about accepting that GOD can do what he wants and not have to rely on the opinion or decrees of Christians. I am not trying to pick a fight I just want to understand this curious reluctance.

The next question is IF God is loving GOD and has decreed in the Commandments that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" and Jesus said from his own mouth. "Judge not lest be judged" and "whatever you do to the least of my neighbors so you do onto me" and MY favorite which I believe is a commandment given to "us" by Jesus "love thy neighbor (read everyone) as thyself". Why do so many Christian or declared Christians say horrible things about people (ex Obama) or groups (like gays or liberals) they have never met or know nothing about when the central message from God is love. I realize we are humans and I have been known to do this stuff myself but I just don't get it.

We should learn about these other people and groups and then if we disagree with them then do it in a more civil and "Christian" way. Or am I missing something.

Now the next point may be a bit touchy but I would like to know why so many Christians call Jesus, Jesus Christ. When Jesus was alive he would not have had a second name. He would have been called Jesus bar Josef (Jesus son of Josef) or Jesus of Nazareth. Besides the word Christ is not a name but a word which comes from the Greek Christi or the anointed one. Is it just habit?

So if I have offended anyone I apologize for it. I am not known for my tact. But I am asking serious questions because I don't understand why people who call themselves Christians are so negative.

I have other questions but I feel they might be too controversial for what I am trying to do here.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Can you sum it up in a sentence?

 

[kitsune]

No blasts or insults from my direction. Probably not much enlightenment either, but I'll toss in my bit anyway. For purposes of full disclosure, I'm an atheist, always have been.

In response to your first question, Look at monotheism as playing golf, and Christianity as a country club. Just playing golf is not enough to get you in to the club. In truth, it's probably a minor consideration.

The Christian country club believes it has the corner on the market because the bylaws they have written for themselves tell them they do.

My response to the second question is that the behaviour of the god in the Bible provides very little evidence that this being is in any way loving. Rather the opposite, which is might be why the Fundies are so enamored of him. As for Jesus, in fundamentalist Christianity his primary purpose was to bleed and die. All that warm and fuzzy stuff he said up to the time he was executed is for the most part a bit of an embarrassment to them.

My view anyway. Peace out

 

[CrabCake]

I am not a Christian in fact I don't believe in any organized religion but I will stay out of why. I do believe in a Creator but IT is not human nor has any form at all since as the burning bush said to Moses "I am that I am". I believe this means the Creator is every present and in all things.

The very same text (the book of Exodus) refers to God using a proper name (the tetragrammaton). How can you discard the countless times throughout that very same scripture that God's proper name is used and that he is referenced as a person?

I don't think a panentheist view of God is completely outside the realm of Christianity. But I don't think you can build that case on Moses.

By the way, such views of God still exist within Christianity, specially from the open and relational theism branches (process theology for example).

Believe or not this was once (about 2000 years ago) a very popular viewpoint of many of those who would become "Christians" but for a number of reasons their beliefs were suppressed violently.

The fact that panentheism (the view you describe) has existed for thousands of years is not in question. However, do you have any evidence that it was ever a widespread belief within Christianity or that there was any violent suppression? I can't recall ever reading about an early church controversy over the issue.

My first question is IF someone believes in a single Creator or God or whatever, WHY are they not part of the club.

What club? I'm not sure what you are talking about.

What gives Christians the corner market on God. He chose the Jews as his chosen people, he supposedly appeared to the Indians more than 1000 years ago and people of other faiths have done what could pass as miracles which according to the Bible can only be done if the power of God is with them.
What is so hard about accepting that GOD can do what he wants and not have to rely on the opinion or decrees of Christians. I am not trying to pick a fight I just want to understand this curious reluctance.

Christians haven't grappled with how God may or may not be involved in other religions because they haven't had to. Until the modern era, the links between religion, culture, and government were absolute, international travel was practically non-existent, and the flow of information between people of different cultures was very limited.

The idea that you could be a Christian living next to a Hindu or a Muslim is very new. So, we just haven't had to deal with it until now. But those conversations are occurring now. There is a lot of interfaith and ecumenical activity these days. But these things take time.

The next question is IF God is loving GOD and has decreed in the Commandments that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" and Jesus said from his own mouth. "Judge not lest be judged" and "whatever you do to the least of my neighbors so you do onto me" and MY favorite which I believe is a commandment given to "us" by Jesus "love thy neighbor (read everyone) as thyself". Why do so many Christian or declared Christians say horrible things about people (ex Obama) or groups (like gays or liberals) they have never met or know nothing about when the central message from God is love. I realize we are humans and I have been known to do this stuff myself but I just don't get it.

Because Christians are human beings and not yet perfect.

We should learn about these other people and groups and then if we disagree with them then do it in a more civil and "Christian" way. Or am I missing something.

You're missing the fact this is going on constantly. Google the word "interfaith" or "ecumenical". Look it up in the "meetup" app and you might even find groups that are doing this in your area and open to new members.

Now the next point may be a bit touchy but I would like to know why so many Christians call Jesus, Jesus Christ. When Jesus was alive he would not have had a second name. He would have been called Jesus bar Josef (Jesus son of Josef) or Jesus of Nazareth. Besides the word Christ is not a name but a word which comes from the Greek Christi or the anointed one. Is it just habit?

Why would this matter? Technically, he wouldn't even be Jesus, he would be Yeshua, which is probably better translated as Joshua. But...so what? Why would this be important?

So if I have offended anyone I apologize for it. I am not known for my tact. But I am asking serious questions because I don't understand why people who call themselves Christians are so negative.

You are only looking at the negative, so you will only see the negative.

 

[RAMOSS]

What? No, the Torah does not say that. There are 613 Mitzvot, not '6,000'.

Not only that, out of the 613 Mitzvah , many have to do with the Temple, and therefore are not relevant in todays society... not until such time (if ever), the temple gets rebuilt.

Some are 'positive' mitzvahs, (do this), and some are negative Mitvahs (don't do this).

 

[soylentgreen]

The next question is IF God is loving GOD and has decreed in the Commandments that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" and Jesus said from his own mouth. "Judge not lest be judged" and "whatever you do to the least of my neighbors so you do onto me" and MY favorite which I believe is a commandment given to "us" by Jesus "love thy neighbor (read everyone) as thyself". Why do so many Christian or declared Christians say horrible things about people (ex Obama) or groups (like gays or liberals) they have never met or know nothing about when the central message from God is love. I realize we are humans and I have been known to do this stuff myself but I just don't get it.

We should learn about these other people and groups and then if we disagree with them then do it in a more civil and "Christian" way. Or am I missing something.

to answer this one all you need to is look at crabcakes reply in post 14.

Because Christians are human beings and not yet perfect.

The bible is a con game a set up. There main theme is not everyone should live a good life and respect each other but that everyone is a sinner and needs gods redemption or to be more exact the parasites called priests need to be kept wealthy and happy to secure their redemption. So they deliberately set the bar on morality so high that it cannot be reached, as crabcake tell us we are not perfect. therefore we are sinners and in need of gods redemption. If everyone could and did live up to those standards priests would starve and there really would be no need of a god.

 

[wolfman24]

to answer this one all you need to is look at crabcakes reply in post 14.

The bible is a con game a set up. There main theme is not everyone should live a good life and respect each other but that everyone is a sinner and needs gods redemption or to be more exact the parasites called priests need to be kept wealthy and happy to secure their redemption. So they deliberately set the bar on morality so high that it cannot be reached, as crabcake tell us we are not perfect. therefore we are sinners and in need of gods redemption. If everyone could and did live up to those standards priests would starve and there really would be no need of a god.

Except for those who go around believing they are forgiven. This is absurd. God created sin and only he decides whether he will or will not forgive a sin. To think otherwise is to imply the person knows the mind of God (so called) and this is not only patently absurd but blasphemy.

To use logic and apply it to that phrase it implies people can do anything they want and "know' they are forgiven. How nice for them but that is not how it works. It also implies that they are above everyone else which is how most Christians I have met think of themselves.


By the way Crabcake used a word to describe what I am as far as faith is concerned. I have no idea what he is talking about and never heard of the word. There are and were many more people of faith in the world than are described in the Bible and it is not the last word on all faith based beliefs. People like me are one example.

 

[soylentgreen]

Except for those who go around believing they are forgiven. This is absurd. God created sin and only he decides whether he will or will not forgive a sin. To think otherwise is to imply the person knows the mind of God (so called) and this is not only patently absurd but blasphemy.

There is another reason to think otherwise. But you would have to be an atheist to figure that out.

To use logic and apply it to that phrase it implies people can do anything they want and "know' they are forgiven. How nice for them but that is not how it works. It also implies that they are above everyone else which is how most Christians I have met think of themselves.

Unfortunately as an atheist the word forgiven holds a few different meanings for me. I have come across christians who have reasoned otherwise about being forgiven without the contradiction you have. I would tend to lean more to what they say than you have said.
Tell me more about being forgiven

By the way Crabcake used a word to describe what I am as far as faith is concerned. I have no idea what he is talking about and never heard of the word. There are and were many more people of faith in the world than are described in the Bible and it is not the last word on all faith based beliefs. People like me are one example.

To answer this i would ask if you know the location of your local library. Which covers the part of not knowing what Crabcake said. As to the many gods while your at the library look for a book by a.c.clarke called the, The Nine Billion Names of God.

And heed the lesson.

 

[wolfman24]

There is another reason to think otherwise. But you would have to be an atheist to figure that out.

Unfortunately as an atheist the word forgiven holds a few different meanings for me. I have come across christians who have reasoned otherwise about being forgiven without the contradiction you have. I would tend to lean more to what they say than you have said.
Tell me more about being forgiven


To answer this i would ask if you know the location of your local library. Which covers the part of not knowing what Crabcake said. As to the many gods while your at the library look for a book by a.c.clarke called the, The Nine Billion Names of God.

And heed the lesson.

I think I already have.

1. God created sin
2. God decides what he will or will not forgive
3. It is impossible for humans to know the mind of the infinite because according to religious dogma he is the infinite and we have not the capability (As George Burns said in Oh God if I truly revealed myself you could not take it you would go mad.)
4. A good number of Christians are being taught and believe that because they call themselves Christian they are forgiven and they say so in a number of ways.

This is a cart blanche and defies the word of god.

Remember I am not a religious person in fact I do not believe in organized religion but I accept the existence of the Creator who is infinite and has no form.

IMHO to believe in God or the word of God and think you are somehow magically forgiven is blasphemy and hypocritical.

Forgiven is based on my Catholic upbringing the act of GOD not man acknowledging you that you have done something wrong and through His love and mercy saying he is letting it ride. Now in religious writings it is very clear that in some cases He does not give you a free pass.

Christians are no different than any other person of faith that believes in a single diety and have no special privileges. If that were true he would have made them his Chosen People. By the way I don't think that give the Jews any special pass either.

Does that help?

 

[soylentgreen]

I think I already have.

1. God created sin
2. God decides what he will or will not forgive
3. It is impossible for humans to know the mind of the infinite because according to religious dogma he is the infinite and we have not the capability (As George Burns said in Oh God if I truly revealed myself you could not take it you would go mad.)
4. A good number of Christians are being taught and believe that because they call themselves Christian they are forgiven and they say so in a number of ways.

This is a cart blanche and defies the word of god.

Remember I am not a religious person in fact I do not believe in organized religion but I accept the existence of the Creator who is infinite and has no form.

It is impossible for man to know the mind of god, but it is possible to know god must have a mind. Otherwise how could he decide what is sin. And he must be able to create in some way because he created what he knows.
So, so far you know that god is infinite, has no form, has a mind and can create. You know quite a lot.

I am not a religious person either. I feel that it is not my position to tell religious people what their religion is. How do you justify it?

IMHO to believe in God or the word of God and think you are somehow magically forgiven is blasphemy and hypocritical.

Forgiven is based on my Catholic upbringing the act of GOD not man acknowledging you that you have done something wrong and through His love and mercy saying he is letting it ride. Now in religious writings it is very clear that in some cases He does not give you a free pass.

Christians are no different than any other person of faith that believes in a single diety and have no special privileges. If that were true he would have made them his Chosen People. By the way I don't think that give the Jews any special pass either.

Does that help?

So you are leaning towards some kind of "pass through the eye of the needle" kind of theology? This is a basic view of many theists That there is a kind of contract with god. While your argument is that there is now a firm belief in two kinds of gods.

 

[wolfman24]

It is impossible for man to know the mind of god, but it is possible to know god must have a mind. Otherwise how could he decide what is sin. And he must be able to create in some way because he created what he knows.
So, so far you know that god is infinite, has no form, has a mind and can create. You know quite a lot.

I am not a religious person either. I feel that it is not my position to tell religious people what their religion is. How do you justify it?



So you are leaning towards some kind of "pass through the eye of the needle" kind of theology? This is a basic view of many theists That there is a kind of contract with god. While your argument is that there is now a firm belief in two kinds of gods.

I will not say what I am thinking cause I will get in trouble. This is clearly baiting.

First. The comment about the Creator being infinite if you could read is part of my faith. so as a person of faith I "Know it" just like Christina "know" without proof that Jesus rose from the dead.

The rest of your post is bull**** and personally insulting.

I hope the mods pay attention. This is unacceptable.

 

[JohnPaul]

Not only that, out of the 613 Mitzvah , many have to do with the Temple, and therefore are not relevant in todays society... not until such time (if ever), the temple gets rebuilt.

Some are 'positive' mitzvahs, (do this), and some are negative Mitvahs (don't do this).

I am doomed! I like fried clams and my undershirt is a different fabric from my shirt. What can I do? My neighbor mowed his lawn today, Sunday. Am I obligated to kill him myself, or shoulc I just report him to the church?

 

[Kobie]

I am doomed! I like fried clams and my undershirt is a different fabric from my shirt. What can I do? My neighbor mowed his lawn today, Sunday. Am I obligated to kill him myself, or shoulc I just report him to the church?

Shoot first and ask questions later

 

[soylentgreen]

I will not say what I am thinking cause I will get in trouble. This is clearly baiting.

First. The comment about the Creator being infinite if you could read is part of my faith. so as a person of faith I "Know it" just like Christina "know" without proof that Jesus rose from the dead.

The rest of your post is bull**** and personally insulting.

I hope the mods pay attention. This is unacceptable.

Report away i do not feel i have been offensive. I did not question how you knew. I questioned how much you claim you know.

 

[soylentgreen]

I am doomed! I like fried clams and my undershirt is a different fabric from my shirt. What can I do? My neighbor mowed his lawn today, Sunday. Am I obligated to kill him myself, or shoulc I just report him to the church?

Trump as president. Have you considered you might already be dead and this is your judgement.