I hope you are correct, just to piss your right-wing nuts off! I love it! :lamo
I was barely aware of my own ass in 2008 so no, I wasn't. I don't know what you think 2008 has to do with what I'm saying now, but I suspect you're trying to uncover partisan motivations where none exist. (I guess you didn't see my mention of Condoleezza Rice earlier in the thread.)I'm guessing you were waving this flag just as proudly and widely during 2008 when there were CONSTANT comments about Palin's looks throughout the entire campaign (and even still today).
The problem with your comparisons to criticisms of male politicians is that the criticisms you listed are based on criticizing the men as individuals not as men. When women like Clinton, Rice and Pelosi are criticized for their looks, that criticism is, in great part, about who they are as women in a society that judges women by what they offer physically much more than it does men. When Ryan, Biden and Dean are criticized, their criticisms are about their individual idiosyncrasies, not who they are as men.I do agree there's a certain level of sexism still ingrained in our society (Though I think where we may split is I think there will ALWAYS be a certain level, on both ends of that line) but I also think it's just as likely that it was done because it was the easiest means of insulting the other side. It's why we were treated to the strange Paul Ryan faces, Biden "foot in mouth" references, "Bushisms", hamburger/fast food jokes with Clinton followed by sex jokes with Clinton, crazy Howard Dean yells, Bob Dole 3rd person pencil wagging, and on and on. People tend to be lazy, and I think a lot of times when it comes to making negative comments towards people that's where it comes from. Is sometime the lazy path sexist or racist or bigoted or insensitive, or something similar? Sure. But I think often it's less motivated by those things then it is by simple laziness. Not excusing it, just saying I don't think it's the primary motivation often and I think that's part of why it won't fully go away.
I was barely aware of my own ass in 2008 so no, I wasn't. I don't know what you think 2008 has to do with what I'm saying now, but I suspect you're trying to uncover partisan motivations where none exist. (I guess you didn't see my mention of Condoleezza Rice earlier in the thread.)
The problem with your comparisons to criticisms of male politicians is that the criticisms you listed are based on criticizing the men as individuals not as men. When women like Clinton, Rice and Pelosi are criticized for their looks, that criticism is, in great part, about who they are as women in a society that judges women by what they offer physically much more than it does men. When Ryan, Biden and Dean are criticized, their criticisms are about their individual idiosyncrasies, not who they are as men.
I don't think the majority of people who make such remarks about female's looks are motivated by sexism either. I don't think The Man was motivated by sexism. I think that the ultimately sexist attitudes towards women that lead much of society to objectify them are just ingrained into much of society's psyche and that those attitudes need to be "called out".
Did I kill your dog or something? LOL. I can't imagine why me talking about a topic that consider "boring" and "mundane" would require you to dedicate several posts on it in which you also personally attack me when I wasn't even talking to you. Whatever issues you have, they should probably worked out somewhere else because I'm not too good with feelings.The topic is mundane and revolves around a fact on how people normally perceive others that only takes a tiny amount of self acknowledgment to realize. You apparently lack the ability to self analyze and without the knowledge in toe to assist you on your way there was no hope you would of have ever managed to lift yourself out of calling everyone and everything sexist without my assistance that I begrudgingly gave you. So no, I'm not passionate about the topic, but I was admittedly annoyed you required assistance on the matter.
Not all men objectify women. Don't use other people to excuse your own sexist behavior.Men comment on women's looks, that's the way it's always been and always will be. It's not sexist behavior. I never said that Hillary is a dummie because she's ugly. That would be a sexist comment. I didn't make any disparaging remarks about Hillary as a person and her qualifications, I just said she's really ugly.
Gotta disagree. While I heard a number on the right making comments, I heard a great deal on the left suggesting she got the nomination because she was hot or referencing her as just a pretty face, or as you said the "alaskan barbie" comments. Which even with that...if you're buying into the inherent sexism notion, how many guys in politics have you heard called "airheads", a term I heard often when discussing Palin's intelligence.
Both sides got in on that game from what I remember.
I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.
Not all men objectify women. Don't use other people to excuse your own sexist behavior.
How many times has that been written about a male politician? I'll spot you Chris Matthews and his tingling leg.
Well, Paul Ryan's abs of steel made the lead story on TMZ so........
You don't speak for all straight men so stop pretending you do. Not all men, straight or otherwise, judge the looks of every woman they see, particularly to the point where they think their crude comments are worth mentioning within the context of political discussions or health scares. That attitude is reserved for the shallow, usually sexist people who perpetuate sexist themes in society. Get it?Like I already told you, it's not sexist behavior. And yes, ALL men (straight men anyway), comment on women's looks, that's not "objectifying" anything. If I were gay, I'd comment on men's looks. That is NOT sexist behavior.
TMZ...I need not say more.
Right and some black people are racist against white people and some gay people discriminate against straight people. None of that changes the pattern of women, blacks and gays being the target of such issues more than their counterparts.Well, Paul Ryan's abs of steel made the lead story on TMZ so........
You don't speak for all straight men so stop pretending you do. Not all men, straight or otherwise, judge the looks of every woman they see, particularly to the point where they think their crude comments are worth mentioning within the context of political discussions or health scares. That attitude is reserved for the shallow, usually sexist people who perpetuate sexist themes in society. Get it?
You commented on her looks while admitting that you have, in your words, "never" judged a male politician by his looks. In other words, you judge her, a distinguished politician, by whether or not her looks please you as a straight man in a thread in which looks have literally nothing to do with the subject. Do you understand why that is a problem? Do you get why that is a sexist act?I commented on her looks, that's not sexist.
Right and some black people are racist against white people and some gay people discriminate against straight people. None of that changes the pattern of women, blacks and gays being the target of such issues more than their counterparts.
Up to you but I saw comments about his abs/p90X routine every week all over the place between his nomination and the election.
You commented on her looks while admitting that you have, in your words, "never" judged a male politician by his looks. In other words, you judge her, a distinguished politician, by whether or not her looks please you as a straight man in a thread in which looks have literally nothing to do with the subject. Do you understand why that is a problem? Do you get why that is a sexist act?
Judging people's credentials on their looks is not the only way to be sexist. Get it? I know you're determined to limit sexism to that act, but it's not going to happen. When you are in discussion about a politician that has nothing to do with their appearance and yet you continue to judge her according to whether or not her appearance pleases you while not doing the same thing to men, you are expressing sexism. The focus on women's looks in society has sexist foundations and those foundations are not just "guys being guys" or some weak ****.I didn't judge her credentials on her looks, and I don't judge male politicians credentials on their looks, because I'm not sexist. Get it?
Right and some black people are racist against white people and some gay people discriminate against straight people. None of that changes the pattern of women, blacks and gays being the target of such issues more than their counterparts.
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Judging people's credentials on their looks is not the only way to be sexist. Get it? I know you're determined to limit sexism to that act, but it's not going to happen. When you are in discussion about a politician that has nothing to do with their appearance and yet you continue to judge her according to whether or not her appearance pleases you while not doing the same thing to men, you are expressing sexism. The focus on women's looks in society has sexist foundations and those foundations are not just "guys being guys" or some weak ****.
So is ABC News creating Conspiracy Theories now too?
Sorry, your description of what you believe to be sexist behavior, in reality is actually not sexist behavior. I don't know where you learned your definition of "sexist" from, but you didn't learn the right one.
Barack Obama is really friggin ugly! There, now I'm not sexist. Happy now?
Sure, on an entertainment/gossip site.
Just don't comment on any other black people or else you are racist.
Remember..
Comment one only one woman:
Sexist
Comment on one woman and one man:
Not sexist
Comment on two women and one white man
Sexist
Now apply it race...
Comment on one black person:
Racist
Comment on one black person and one white person
Not racist.
Comment on two black people and one white person
Racist.
I don't imagine he will ever figure out how stupid this method is though. He has after all done this stupid crap before.
Like CNN and MSNBC, so sure, entertainment/gossip TV.......
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