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Secret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents

Catz Part Deux

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Did you know this?
 
But I thought liberals were soft on terror?

Shadow War. That's catchy.

Liberals aren't involved. This is the military carrying out these efforts, not Bush or Obama or anyone in the White House or its administration.

I'm sure on Day One, when the military debriefed Obama on the 157 known terrorist plots to assassinate the sitting U.S. president, he got on board with these efforts immediately.
 
1) I'm very glad this is happening. Well-done.

2) Where are the throngs of protests against these aggressive illegal acts of warmongering and American imperialism?
 
If this is truly going on I'm on board. Yes, this would have been characterized as a very sinister and evil program if Bush were still in office but that's the way it goes with the N.Y. Times. At least we seem to be doing the intelligence groundwork that went missing in the Clinton administration.
 

I can't understand by what authority the President has extended our reach into Somalia and Kenya. It is also hard to believe that the French spearheaded a recent strike in Algeria.

And, yes, Harshaw, where is the outrage? Hmmmm.....
 
I can't understand by what authority the President has extended our reach into Somalia and Kenya. It is also hard to believe that the French spearheaded a recent strike in Algeria.

And, yes, Harshaw, where is the outrage? Hmmmm.....

I know this is hard to understand, but we are there AT THE REQUEST of their governments, and working in tandem with their forces. So, it's not really an invasion now, is it, dear?
 
I can't understand by what authority the President has extended our reach into Somalia and Kenya. It is also hard to believe that the French spearheaded a recent strike in Algeria.

And, yes, Harshaw, where is the outrage? Hmmmm.....

Seems to me all this is going to do is create more terrorists, right? A prime recruiting tool for al Qaeda. A military solution isn't the answer. Or, so I've heard.
 
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I know this is hard to understand, but we are there AT THE REQUEST of their governments, and working in tandem with their forces. So, it's not really an invasion now, is it, dear?

According to . . . ? Perhaps in Yemen, but in Africa?

And when did the Security Council approve all of this?
 
I know this is hard to understand, but we are there AT THE REQUEST of their governments, and working in tandem with their forces. So, it's not really an invasion now, is it, dear?

Did I miss that in your post? Perhaps. Nonetheless, who cares? Doesn't change my thoughts. And who called it an invasion? Please don't patronize me. It hardly becomes you.
 
Presumably all of these countries have given the U.S. permission to conduct these operations, or at least I would hope. Yeah, we could go a step further and theorize that the U.S. is strong-arming them into participating, but regardless, the U.S. military can't legally act without permission.
 

UAV's are one thing but if he's employing ground troops for longer than 90 days I think he should have to get congressional authorization in line with the war powers resolution of 1973, unless he is claiming that he already has this authorization under the AUMF of 2001 but if that were the case he could use the same justification to deploy troops anytime anywhere AQ is believed to be located.
 
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Yeah, I'd assume that, too. Why Catz is calling it an invasion escapes me. I'm talking about the White House activating troops in these countries...or maybe we already have troops there, so no 'permission' from Congress is necessary....?
 

Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)
 
Plus:


Oooooh. Scary scary scary scary. At least it used to be.
 
Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)

A) I seriously doubt that the Pakistani's would have granted permission either, but I don't really give a **** what these governments give us permission to do, if they can't or won't go after AQ then we have the right to act in our own self defense.

B) The permission that I do care about is that of Congress, I think the AUMF of 2001 is far to broad to be used as justification for any ground troop deployments save of course for in Afghanistan which that specific AUMF was clearly aimed at.
 
B) The permission that I do care about is that of Congress, I think the AUMF of 2001 is far to broad to be used as justification for any ground troop deployments save of course for in Afghanistan which that specific AUMF was clearly aimed at.

Oh, I was planning on getting around to that one as well.
 

Commander in chief takes the heat or gets the credit. I have no problem slamming Obama for a lack of leadership of our armed forces, but I also have to give him props for keeping to Bush's plan of attacking terrorists.
 
Why would you "presume" anything of the sort? (And who in Somalia is in any position to give permission, anyway?)

There are exceptions to what I said, mostly because places like Somalia lack any real government. There are also U.S. military bases in most countries. It would only be a step further to request permission to conduct Al Qaeda hunts outside of the bases.

I'm not saying I agree with it... I'm just saying that it's not illegal.
 

I take comfort that the conflict is now being managed in a more intelligent manner.

For the first time in our history, an entity has declared a covert war against us. And we are using similar elements of American power to respond to that covert war. — Representative Adam Smith, Democrat of Washington, who serves on the Intelligence and Armed Services Committees

But, this story contains a warning that I found disturbing, too.


We should seek that oversight is rigorous and thorough. It may make our efforts less “efficient” but it will assure that our nation's values and ideals are preserved and protected.

 

You are making my point for me.
 
Why are any of you surprised? People who lack a deity to place their faith in usually stat to turn towards big government to solve all their problems. The so-called "shadow war" is nothing but a solution to spread their oppressive new world order form of big government. Big government would never allow these countries to fall under sharia law without a fight. Also, what better way for Obama to get in good grace with conservatives then kill more muslims in more parts of the world.
 
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