James D Hill
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Requiring a birth certificate is not a redneck law by any stretch of the imagination. This was a ruling that they cannot bypass the federal procedure. Now they can turn around and go through the procedure and have the same "redneck" requirement.
Voter fraud is so rare yet the GOP actd like it is common.
How do you know it is so rare when the democrats block efforts to catch it? If we had photo ID requirements for 50 years and it never happened, then you wouldn't be arguing the unknown. Refusing a measure that would allow us to catch any in-person fraud and then claiming that it doesn't exist because we cannot catch it is disingenuous and Orwellian. It is being caught--it is just incredibly difficult to do it without an ID requirement so there is no real basis to factually say to what extent it does occur.
Requiring a birth certificate is not a redneck law by any stretch of the imagination. This was a ruling that they cannot bypass the federal procedure. Now they can turn around and go through the procedure and have the same "redneck" requirement.
How do you know it is so rare when the democrats block efforts to catch it? If we had photo ID requirements for 50 years and it never happened, then you wouldn't be arguing the unknown. Refusing a measure that would allow us to catch any in-person fraud and then claiming that it doesn't exist because we cannot catch it is disingenuous and Orwellian. It is being caught--it is just incredibly difficult to do it without an ID requirement so there is no real basis to factually say to what extent it does occur.
The SC disagrees. Conservatives and their voter suppression schemes have been put on notice, even by the likes of the inert Scalia.
Proof of citizenship should be provided when someone registers to vote, as many states do not require proof of citizenship when registering.
Once you are registered and have shown proof of citizenship, simple photo ID should be required when voting.
Knowing that many states do not verify citizenship for voter registration, what is the problem with requiring proof of citizenship upon registration application?
Nothing. But that's not what the case was about at heart. It had to do with the preemption of federal law. If we don't like the law, we should change it. But it is the law.
Yes, Congress should change the election law.
All voter registrations MUST include citizenship verification.
Well, that's the issue. On its face I agree.
However, when you do that, you have to calculate the "costs" to voters in terms of citizens who for whatever reason can't show their citizenship and are thus disenfranchised.
The oath in the federal form is serious -- it's a federal crime to violate it. Are there really significant numbers of noncitizens who are willing to go to jail to vote? Why? And if that number is less than the number of citizens who can't vote because of document restrictions, is it worth it? In short is it worth disenfranchising citizens to prevent a few noncitizens from voting?
Presumably, in passing the federal law, these factual issues were investigated and addressed. I'm not saying they shouldn't be revisited, but there really appears to be little or no problem with noncitizens voting, and I can't imagine how such a problem could sway an election in any case. In general we should make voting as easy as possible.
There is proof of citizenship for all Americans.
Passport. Birth Certificate. There is always something.
No American has no way to prove they are a citizen. Yes it may take a few months to find the right documentation but its there.
How do you know it is so rare when the democrats block efforts to catch it? If we had photo ID requirements for 50 years and it never happened, then you wouldn't be arguing the unknown. Refusing a measure that would allow us to catch any in-person fraud and then claiming that it doesn't exist because we cannot catch it is disingenuous and Orwellian. It is being caught--it is just incredibly difficult to do it without an ID requirement so there is no real basis to factually say to what extent it does occur.
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