• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Scott McLellan shames all Bushies and WarHawks!

Joe Hill

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
644
Reaction score
98
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Liberals never object when their former enemies come clean and admit what a pack of lying hyenas the Bu****e neoCons really are. A day after Memorial Day, all Americans should feel shame and rage that over four thousand US soldiers and uncounted thousands of Iraqi defenders have died over a propoaganda war that was never necessary except for war profiteers and oil companies. How do we take full pride in those who died for invasion and occupation? They, we, and especially the IDIOTS that voted for Bush should feel what that Chimp and his Mafiosi flying monkies such as Rove and Ari the Liar are telling you. . . "SUCKERS!":rofl
 
So Scott lied all along. what makes you so sure he's not lying more now?
 
Last edited:
Here's a clip of the "media" grading itself. Couric comes out with a statement about threats from the WH cutting off their access during the war if the tone of the questions didn't change.

Followed by "We didn't give into it" WTF?

ummmmm yeah, you all gave into it

msnbc.com Video Player
 

I just watched the first half of the clip before turning it off. There was a lot of focus on the weapons. "Does Saddam have WMD?"

A better question, indeed, a question we all must ask in any situation, is "is it worth it? when we weigh the benefits versus the costs, will it be worth it?" anybody looking at the reality at the time, whom knew anything about the ME would have concluded "no." The far left magazines made noise about sectarian differences and the possibility of quagmire, but the MSM didn't ask those questions at all before the war. and basic benefit/costs comparisons are what we all do before we do anything.
 

No Bush made me vote Libertarian in 1992 to protest the lukewarm "liberal" arts of war in Iraq when Gorby said, "that is far enough."

There was no need for propaganda, no brainwashing for oil, no neocon crap made me ask the question about the magical "they":

"On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

"Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad.
To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

Tell me, who are the magical "they" that Saddam said "should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings?"

Nobody on earth showed me, interpreted for me, or brainwashed me into posting this:

July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) President Saddam's speech on July 17 1997

...What was gained by keeping Saddam?
Nothing but a future of deadly bedlam.
The nature of terror requires fear,
Dark shadows where nothing is clear.
Terror stalks quite well despite the laws,
Which don’t stop anything without claws.
“To be, are not” as the bard would say,
let the wolves circle or scare them away,
To come back with what they have sired;
It’s with those tactics war we are mired:
Do you know the tragedy had a reason,
Justice delayed things out of season.
Why should we wait for the rutting pig,
While at the same time our own grave dig.
Read it again, “Hamlet” is full of wisdom,
But requires knowledge of Gods Kingdom.
Claudius understood in that last prayer,
What was delayed made a greater slayer.
Do they want mass destruction for defense,
Since when does evil just sit on the fence?
We lucked out with Heisenburg’s science,
Atomic weapons and V2’s he didn’t license.
Can we expect that from an ambushing creed,
Or should we prevent them with all due speed?..."
(Sun 23 Sep 2001 09:46:10 PM EDT)

"Anyhow, this and other things show that weapons of mass destruction become a burden on their owners and on humanity, if they were not absolutely necessary for self-defense and defending their countries." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

If we are being manipulated, it is here:

December 1997, South Movement: "'If the United Nations fails to respond to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (meeting in Tehran) then the Muslim world must act and defy these sanctions,' Farrakhan told an audience of union representatives in the Iraqi capital." (Louis Farrakhan) South News Dec 12 1997

12/12/1997: "UN sanctions against Iraq were denounced as terrorism by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan during a visit to Iraq, CNN reported." Farrakhan - Iraq

One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

"Behold the quintessential devil in these matters," the foul "liberal" monsters of the earth:

September 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General...David Muller, South Movement, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia"
Workers World Oct. 4, 2001: Join a new anti-war coalition

September, 16th, 2001: "Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permitted America the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.

Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself. For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself." (Louis Farrakhan)
Response to 9/11 Attacks

"The African-American Democrat is being groomed for national leadership. His speech at the Democratic convention, a homily on hard work, individual responsibility and the American dream, would have been well received at a Republican convention not so many years ago. But in 2004, Obama is passed off as a 'progressive' politician." Democratic keynote speaker Barack Obama calls for missile strikes on Iran

"Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the 'hope of the entire world' that the U.S. will change for the better."
Farrakhan Praises Obama as ‘Hope of Entire World’ - America’s Election HQ

"Some voices have risen on the part of some peoples, journalists, writers, and, in a very restricted way, the voices of those who are preparing themselves, in the shadow, to replace the rulers there." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)
 
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…