Granted. What is your point? What Hunter Biden was doing is likely not, strictly speaking, illegal, just extremely sleazy. If it is illegal, this sort of payment by proxy is very difficult to prove. In any event, talking to the government in the nation it occurred would be part of the process.
Contrast what Joe Biden claims to have done. That is illegal--a quid pro quo--and he was bragging about it to a camera.
In this case A says B did X. B says I did not do X and here is the transcript to prove it.
A is relevant to rebut the transcript, so I am unsure of your point.
So much miss-information in a single post. Gotta be some sort of record.
Okay. I'll assume he will be presenting his incontrovertible evidence of collusion tomorrow. I'm not sure why he's waited so long, but I'm sure you can tell me.
:lamoAgain, it wasn't "part" of any process in the United States, investigated by U.S. personnel. We didn't open any investigation into either Biden. Goodness, how many times does this need to be said before people will recognize it.
If Barr/Durham or anyone else in the DoJ/FBI had opened a file on the case, and we asked for assistance with that probe through the official, sanctioned, legal channels, such as our mutual aid treaty with Ukraine, Democrats could whine about it, but it's clearly legal, authorized. THAT. DID. NOT. HAPPEN. And we are where we are.
And the only way what Biden did was "illegal" is if he wasn't advancing the foreign policy interests of the United States, the WH, state department, diplomats, agreed to by our allies in Europe, IMF, UK, the reformers in Ukraine. The problem is he WAS doing all that, and there's no evidence that POS Shokin was investigating Burisma or its owner or that any investigation sitting in his drawer that he was not-doing implicated Hunter Biden in any way.
If that's what you got, go with it. It isn't as stupid as some of the other things that have been said.There is not a single thing I wrote that hasn't been confirmed by the Mueller report, court records, the DOJ, or the USIC, not a single thing, and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Yes, and? Put that in your articles of impeachment.
The last time a distant relative of mine approached me for money - he has a drug abuse problem - I gave him the money. I asked him not to spend it on drugs, and conditioned the gift on it. That's a reasonable request, and if it is met, both the money and his abstinence accrue to his benefit. This is no different, or would you prefer that our aid line the pockets of the crooks Ukraine is noted for?
I'll assume the latter in your case, because Trump. You'd prefer Ukraine accept the aid, steal weapons, and sell them to the Ukrainian military, thereby doubling or tripling their money - all in their personal pockets. This has actually happened there, and the crooks were so confident that they listed it as a line item in the annual report of their company.
And you think a request to investigate corruption is out of line? Tell me another joke.
LOL, pure partisan nonsense. "Do me a favor" is hardly "crucify Biden or no missiles for you"
As I recall Zelensky also discussed starting the investigations as well.
By whose definition of their job? The traditional role of the AG has never looked closely at the Washington swamp. Barr is doing exactly that.
I am amused by all this talk of Trump being worried about arms deals and Biden. That was basically talking about the weather. Crowdstrike is different, because that was directed at Trump. The whole Russia collusion scheme is still not an open book and Trump wants the truth out about the attempt to frame him.
:lamo
I'm sorry. The double standard is too ridiculous to blow off. If you don't understand the problem with your statements, I cannot explain it to you. It's literally too obvious to miss.
Thanks for yet another demonstration of LW partisan nonsense. You guys are full of them. :lamoLOL, pure partisan nonsense. Trump supporters live in a fantasy land of propaganda and delusion. It's really quite amazing how much you are fooled on a daily basis by pro-Trump propagandists. Trump has lied so many times about so many things you'd think Trump supporters would have wised up by now.
That's exactly what it is. Zelenskyy asked for more javelin missile sales, and Trump said "I would like you to do us a favor though."
When the most powerful person on the planet says, "I would like you to do us a favor though..", that's exactly what it means. When Ukraine, under constant threat by Russia and facing a daily threat to its survival asks for important military hardware, and the most powerful person on the planet says, "I would like you to do us a favor though...", that's exactly what it means.
This was then followed up with more demands. Per Sondland and Taylor's testimony the disbursement of the military aid was added on to this request. So this wasn't some random, stray comment on Trump's part. It was part of a persistent campaign of coercion. Trump's comments were followed up with official and unofficial requests to the Ukrainian government to comply with Trump's demands.
Zelenskyy, at the beginning of the conversation, adopted Trump's rhetoric about draining the swamp in Ukraine. That's it.
Specific discussion of specific investigations were initiated by Trump, and related to specific investigations which would have benefited Trump personally.
Okay, that was completely rational. You just keep blaming others for your loosening grip on rationality. That always works.
Thanks for yet another demonstration of LW partisan nonsense. You guys are full of them. :lamo
There is not a single thing I wrote that hasn't been confirmed by the Mueller report, court records, the DOJ, or the USIC, not a single thing, and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
True.Trump is responsible for his own behavior
Only if he directed them to do something. If they did it on their own, he is not.and those of his campaign personnel.
If in reference to George Papadopoulos, false.Trump's foreign policy advisor is the one who tried to conspire with an agent of the Russian government, not the Democrats.
Yet photos and news clips, such as those from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, show him hobnobbing with NATO military personnel, retired American and British intelligence officers, French officials at the Elysee Palace and State Department diplomats on Capitol Hill.
Rep. Devin Nunes, California Republican, flatly says Mr. Mifsud is no Russian informant. He has asked the State Department, the FBI and other agencies for information about the professor, who has been out of sight for months.
“It is impossible that Mifsud is a Russian asset,” Mr. Nunes told Fox News.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/20/joseph-mifsud-identity-called-trump-russia-probe-o/
False and already debunked. The actual quote from Trump is:Trump was the one who called on Russia to hack Clinton's e-mails.
No mention of hacking. If they had them, they should share them. That's not hacking. That's sharing of something you already have. And above all, it was said in jest, that any sane person would realize.“If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!”
https://time.com/5573539/trump-clinton-russia-hack-joke/
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-downTrump's campaign personnel were the ones who met with Russian intelligence agents at Trump Tower, not the Democrats.
Zelenskyy asked for javelin missiles in the phone call and Trump said, "I would like you to do us a favor though.." Trump then asks for an investigation into crowd strike and into the Bidens.
True.
Only if he directed them to do something. If they did it on their own, he is not.
If in reference to George Papadopoulos, false.
Misfud and Halper are / were western intel assets, and were trying to obtain intelligence on the campaign, and yes, that would be spying.
False and already debunked. The actual quote from Trump is:
No mention of hacking. If they had them, they should share them. That's not hacking. That's sharing of something you already have. And above all, it was said in jest, that any sane person would realize.
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down
This was a Fusion GPS set up, and even so, nothing was exchanged or agreed to.
Need I go on?
Seems you've swallowed lock stock and barrel all of the leftist DNC Pravda political activist media's 1/2 truths and politically preferred narratives they've been pushing since the middle of the 2016 campaign on pretty much every point you've raised.
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed." - Denzel Washington
A true statement if there ever was one.
Ok, I'll stipulate this comes from a conservative source, so can we dispense with the tsunami of "Ewwww! Townhall".
This piece lays out much more eloquently than I ever could why the "whistleblower" has to testify in person.
Misfud
Halper
that would be spying.
False and already debunked. The actual quote from Trump is: No mention of hacking. If they had them, they should share them. That's not hacking. That's sharing of something you already have. And above all, it was said in jest, that any sane person would realize.
This was a Fusion GPS set up, and even so, nothing was exchanged or agreed to.
Need I go on?
\Seems you've swallowed lock stock and barrel all of the leftist DNC Pravda political activist media's 1/2 truths and politically preferred narratives they've been pushing since the middle of the 2016 campaign on pretty much every point you've raised.
If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed."[/URL] - Denzel Washington
A true statement if there ever was one.
Are you cimprehension-challenged, Vern? Biden certainly did give Ukraine an "either do what I want, or forget the aid money." Joe himself admitted - no, bragged - about it. Do you need text and the video of the event? Eh, given it's you, maybe it is actually necessary. Just let me know, Vern. I'm here to please you, as you know.
oh humbolt, thanks for not continuing to whine about me. But sadly, I just don't think being more dishonest is an improvement for you. You know Biden pressured the Ukraine as part of American and European policy. Remember, you bragged how "well read" you were so why would you "play dumb" now? Anyhoo, for you to try to obediently and dishonestly equate that with trump pressuring Ukraine for personal gain is just your typical dishonesty. Humbolt, here's your favorite, the BBC, telling you your narrative is false.
The president and his allies have claimed that as vice-president the elder Biden encouraged the firing of Ukraine's top prosecutor because the prosecutor was investigating Burisma, a gas company that employed Hunter Biden.
These allegations - though widely discredited - were raised by Mr Trump in a 25 July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Wait a second Humbolt, I've already posted that to you. Geez, for a guy who pats himself on the back for reading, you seem to be quite "cimprehension-challenged".
Ok, I'll stipulate this comes from a conservative source, so can we dispense with the tsunami of "Ewwww! Townhall".
This piece lays out much more eloquently than I ever could why the "whistleblower" has to testify in person.
Ok, I'll stipulate this comes from a conservative source, so can we dispense with the tsunami of "Ewwww! Townhall".
This piece lays out much more eloquently than I ever could why the "whistleblower" has to testify in person.
Ciaramella also worked with then-Vice President Biden, a name never mentioned in President Trump’s phone call, but somehow the person believed to be the object of the president’s attempt to “dig up dirt.”
A “whistleblower” that somehow confused a “favor” to look into 2016 election corruption (which is in the transcript) with a mention of someone named Hunter some 500 words after the “favor.”
The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
That article is a testament to why no one serious should read Townhall except as a joke and to see what particularly dumb or dishonest right wingers are arguing at the moment. From the "article."
Let's compare to the memo of the call, available about 100 places online. Here's the NYT copy:
So he lied twice (at least) about what was said on the call, or is a lazy moron and never took the 5 minutes it takes to read the transcript, but still doesn't mind making false claims about it.
Can't believe I gave that bunch of hacks and liars a click. I'll try not to let it happen again.
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