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Saturn’s ‘Death Star’ moon might contain a hidden ocean

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The possibility increases the odds that oceans lurk on even more icy satellites​


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There is a possibility that these deep-space 'oceans' consist of ammonia or hydrogen cyanide rather than water.

While life on Earth is based on water, there is a possibility that ammonia-based life might exist on bodies like this one.
 

The possibility increases the odds that oceans lurk on even more icy satellites​


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There is a possibility that these deep-space 'oceans' consist of ammonia or hydrogen cyanide rather than water.

While life on Earth is based on water, there is a possibility that ammonia-based life might exist on bodies like this one.
Wow. Ammonia based life. I can’t even imagine what that might be like.
 
Wow. Ammonia based life. I can’t even imagine what that might be like.
We already have bacteria here on earth that need to metabolize ammonia to stay alive. They are all around us on all surfaces and especially important in aquarium biofilters.
 
We already have bacteria here on earth that need to metabolize ammonia to stay alive. They are all around us on all surfaces and especially important in aquarium biofilters.
Life as we know it could not exist without an ammonia-equivalent nitrogen source.
 

The possibility increases the odds that oceans lurk on even more icy satellites​


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There is a possibility that these deep-space 'oceans' consist of ammonia or hydrogen cyanide rather than water.

While life on Earth is based on water, there is a possibility that ammonia-based life might exist on bodies like this one.
Yep, and methane too if I'm not mistaken. But in this case they're calling it a possible "water ocean", so I guess they've determined Mimas has a water ice surface. With hydrogen and oxygen being among the most abundant elements in the universe, water ice is actually pretty common out there. It's always cool and exciting to find more in our own neighborhood though!
 
Life as we know it could not exist without an ammonia-equivalent nitrogen source.
Hypothetical alternatives to water include ammonia, which, like water, is a polar molecule, and cosmically abundant; and non-polar hydrocarbon solvents such as methane and ethane, which are known to exist in liquid form on the surface of Titan.
Ammonia biochemistryNon-water solventsAmmonia-based lifeAmmonia is relatively abundant in the universe and has chemical similarities to water. The possible role of liquid ammonia as an alternative solvent for life is an idea that goes back at least to 1954, when J. B. S. Haldane raised the topic at a symposium about life's origin.

In addition to carbon compounds, all currently known terrestrial life also requires water as a solvent. This has led to discussions about whether water is the only liquid capable of filling that role. The idea that an extraterrestrial life-form might be based on a solvent other than water has been taken seriously in recent scientific literature by the biochemist Steven Benner and by the astrobiological committee chaired by John A. Baross.[41] Solvents discussed by the Baross committee include ammonia...
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Ammonia​

The ammonia molecule (NH3), like the water molecule, is abundant in the universe, being a compound of hydrogen (the simplest and most common element) with another very common element, nitrogen.The possible role of liquid ammonia as an alternative solvent for life is an idea that goes back at least to 1954, when J. B. S. Haldane raised the topic at a symposium about life's origin.

However, ammonia has some problems as a basis for life. The hydrogen bonds between ammonia molecules are weaker than those in water, causing ammonia's heat of vaporization to be half that of water, its surface tension to be a third, and reducing its ability to concentrate non-polar molecules through a hydrophobic effect. Gerald Feinberg and Robert Shapiro have questioned whether ammonia could hold prebiotic molecules together well enough to allow the emergence of a self-reproducing system. Ammonia is also flammable in oxygen and could not exist sustainably in an environment suitable for aerobic metabolism.

A biosphere based on ammonia would likely exist at temperatures or air pressures that are extremely unusual in relation to life on Earth. Life on Earth usually exists within the melting point and boiling point of water, at a pressure designated as normal pressure, and between 0 and 100 °C (273 and 373 K). When also held to normal pressure, ammonia's melting and boiling points are −78 °C (195 K) and −33 °C (240 K) respectively. Because chemical reactions generally proceed more slowly at lower temperatures, ammonia-based life existing in this set of conditions might metabolize more slowly and evolve more slowly than life on Earth. On the other hand, lower temperatures could also enable living systems to use chemical species that would be too unstable at Earth temperatures to be useful.
 
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Hypothetical alternatives to water include ammonia, which, like water, is a polar molecule, and cosmically abundant; and non-polar hydrocarbon solvents such as methane and ethane, which are known to exist in liquid form on the surface of Titan.
Ammonia biochemistryNon-water solventsAmmonia-based lifeAmmonia is relatively abundant in the universe and has chemical similarities to water. The possible role of liquid ammonia as an alternative solvent for life is an idea that goes back at least to 1954, when J. B. S. Haldane raised the topic at a symposium about life's origin.

In addition to carbon compounds, all currently known terrestrial life also requires water as a solvent. This has led to discussions about whether water is the only liquid capable of filling that role. The idea that an extraterrestrial life-form might be based on a solvent other than water has been taken seriously in recent scientific literature by the biochemist Steven Benner and by the astrobiological committee chaired by John A. Baross.[41] Solvents discussed by the Baross committee include ammonia...
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Ammonia​

The ammonia molecule (NH3), like the water molecule, is abundant in the universe, being a compound of hydrogen (the simplest and most common element) with another very common element, nitrogen.The possible role of liquid ammonia as an alternative solvent for life is an idea that goes back at least to 1954, when J. B. S. Haldane raised the topic at a symposium about life's origin.

However, ammonia has some problems as a basis for life. The hydrogen bonds between ammonia molecules are weaker than those in water, causing ammonia's heat of vaporization to be half that of water, its surface tension to be a third, and reducing its ability to concentrate non-polar molecules through a hydrophobic effect. Gerald Feinberg and Robert Shapiro have questioned whether ammonia could hold prebiotic molecules together well enough to allow the emergence of a self-reproducing system. Ammonia is also flammable in oxygen and could not exist sustainably in an environment suitable for aerobic metabolism.

A biosphere based on ammonia would likely exist at temperatures or air pressures that are extremely unusual in relation to life on Earth. Life on Earth usually exists within the melting point and boiling point of water, at a pressure designated as normal pressure, and between 0 and 100 °C (273 and 373 K). When also held to normal pressure, ammonia's melting and boiling points are −78 °C (195 K) and −33 °C (240 K) respectively. Because chemical reactions generally proceed more slowly at lower temperatures, ammonia-based life existing in this set of conditions might metabolize more slowly and evolve more slowly than life on Earth. On the other hand, lower temperatures could also enable living systems to use chemical species that would be too unstable at Earth temperatures to be useful.
Water & ammonia have very similar chemistries.
 

Potential Prebiotic Pathways in Extraterrestrial Atmosphere: A Computational Exploration of HCN and NH3 Reactions​


In this study, we explore the potential for prebiotic chemistry in an extraterrestrial atmosphere through computational modeling of reactions involving hydrogen cyanide (HCN), hydrogen isocyanide (HNC), and ammonia (NH3). Based on our automated reaction search, we identified several key intermediates, including formamidine (A), formaldehyde hydrazone (B), and methanediimine (C) which serve as precursors for a variety of complex organic compounds. Among the products, methanimine (P5) and guanidine (P22) have been proposed for their relevance to early biological activity. The calculated low activation barriers and exothermic nature of several reactions suggest the viability of these pathways in a cold extraterrestrial environment. Notably, the formation of molecules such as a triazole derivative (P18) and N-cyanoimidoformamide (P20), linked to biomarker cyanamide, underscores the potential for synthesizing biologically significant molecules. We provide theoretical roto-vibrational spectral parameters to assist in the experimental detection of these species, offering insights into the molecular complexity achievable in extraterrestrial atmosphere and contributing to our understanding of prebiotic chemistry in extraterrestrial environments.
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Recent work reported here shows how molecules essential for life such as purine shown here can arise in an atmosphere made up of ammonia & hydrogen cyanide. What that life might look like would be the result of evolutionary forces in an alien environment.
 

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