PogueMoran
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No you were whining about supposed sour grapes remember
No you were whining about supposed sour grapes rememberThe only one I see whining is you.
Yes, Obama and Reagan have similar ratings at this point in his administration but exact opposite policies to change the economic trends in this country. Reagan believed in the American people, entreprenuership, and the greatness of this country whereas Obama believes in the power and growth of the Federal Govt. and goes around the world apolgizing for the actions of this country.
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Both Obama and Reagan have similar policies to bolster the economy. Increase spending, cut some taxes, raise others and run up the deficit. Success for Reagan was temporary and lasted about as long a as his second term. Hopefully Obama doesn't get a second term.
Where did he say he was going to bankruot the entire coal industry as Ziegler said?no hes a hack because of his previous works. His documentary on the error filled abc path to 9/11 to his time as a talk show host. When interviewed about his polling methods he cussed out the interviewer, apparently he cant take his work being scrutinized.
Lets see the some of the questions.
Let's see if I can answer, Obama? Cap and Trade
Obamas campaign officially kicked off at the Ramada. Ayers was one of many people to host coffee gatherings for supporters. These little events are for supporters its not usual for the candidate to show up. Besides you have not shown that Ayers hosted the first event and Obama was there. Ziegler stated he started his campaign there. This is false.Obama? Home of William Ayers
Obama? Run for State Senator
Also false. One candidate paid workers for each sheet of paper filled with signature even the candidate himself admitted they were forgeries. Another candidate failed to get enough signatures. So several of the candidates were inelligible to run. This is a far cry from the shadiness Ziegler pretends took place. So there you have it all three questions were false.
PogueMoran;1058487552]Regardless of he Obama administration says Fox is apart of the mainstream media. You can pretend all you want but its still a fact that they are apart of the mainstream media as msm is defined.
Reagan shifted the wealth to the top and had a recession in his term he had to start introducing new taxes to make up for the shortfall. Half his tax cuts were rolled back and Reagan did indeed grow the federal government as well as the debt load. Obama has talked about how great this country is you just havent been paying attention.
Once again you say the american people dont like his policies because of his ratings so Reagan was at a similar point in his first year using your logic that would mean the american people didnt like his policies in the first year either.
Barack Obama ran a campaign in which he said almost absolutely nothing but sure sounded good. When he did state what he was going to do, those statements were lies as evidenced by results. He did however implement policy that his resume showed he would and it was a resume ignored by too many.
Obama turned out to be nothing but broken promises - yup, a liar - Chicago style.
Then most of his campaign was blaming Bush and everyone else taking advantage of the anti Bush sentiment. He proposed transparency and change we can believe in. What we got was closed door negotiations and change only a leftist can believe in.
He couldn't hold Bush's jockstrap, yet he did appeal to the loons with his Bush bashing.
Transparency? A light skinned negro speaking with forked tongue is all we got.
The current situation is a nightmare, he has total control of the Congress and all he can do is blame Republican who cannot stop anything he is proposing. He cannot sell his own party and all he can do is talk
I have to disagree with that one - congress has total control of him - he signs everything they put in front of him, just like he reads everything they put in front of him.
In November he is going to lose Congress and that will allow him to go back on his message of blaming Repubicans who then will control Congress and stop his movement to the left.
Both Obama and Reagan have similar policies to bolster the economy. Increase spending, cut some taxes, raise others and run up the deficit. Success for Reagan was temporary and lasted about as long a as his second term. Hopefully Obama doesn't get a second term.
Didnt know the administration had control over words. Fox is a member of the MSM and on this instance you were apt to believe them.Which is it
"I think what is fair to say about FOX and certainly the way we view it is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party...[When President Obama] goes on FOX, he understands that he is not going on -- it really is not a news network at this point. He's going to debate the opposition."
So said White House communications director Anita Dunn on Sunday's "Reliable Sources"
aw more insults. Yet there was a similar shrinking of the middle class and income disparity was high. Wealth shifted to the top and did not trickle down. More meaningless platitudes though.Is that what your textbooks told you? I lived during the 80's and found out differently. People had upward mobility during the Reagan years as people moved up in class. Reagan policies promoted individual wealth creation whereas Obama policies promote dependence and wealth redistribution. The American people know the difference. When will you learn that difference.
Vague generalizations and meaningless platitudes. The only way this country is shifted to the far left is if you are so far to the right of being an extremist. Nixon was more liberal than this guy.I never said that the American people don't like his policies because of his ratings, they don't like his policies because he isn't doing anything but shifting this country far left and is doing nothing that he promised. The results speak for themselves.
PogueMoran;1058487605]Didnt know the administration had control over words. Fox is a member of the MSM and on this instance you were apt to believe them.
aw more insults. Yet there was a similar shrinking of the middle class and income disparity was high. Wealth shifted to the top and did not trickle down. More meaningless platitudes though.
Vague generalizations and meaningless platitudes. The only way this country is shifted to the far left is if you are so far to the right of being an extremist. Nixon was more liberal than this guy
Sarah's Dad was a school secretary and her Mom was a science teacher and a track coach.
Sarah graduated from Wasilla High
Add me.
Bush wasn't my favorite on some domestic issues.
But when it came to National Security, there was no question it was Job #1.
When he ran for office he was honest about who he was and what his goals were.
Quite the contrast to the last 4 Democrat picks; Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama.
Bush couldn't help the fact Libs are so sickeningly shallow they would send troops to war and then stick a bayonet in their backs when they needed their support the most.
What type of leadership uses a war vote for political gain?
Then turns on them for political gain?
The Democrat scum.
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Well according to the standard definition of mainstream media derived from mass media msm would encompass the large papers, the networks, and cable news stations. Its media designed to reach a large population. According to yoour link yesterday from tvbythenumbers Fox reaches only 2 million homes less than CNN. Thats around 98 million homes.I always believed that Fox News put some credibility into the MSM although Fox News doesn't reach nearly the homes that CBS, NBC, ABC reach and I don't believe everyone has the same definition of MSM as you.
Not a textbook Im going by government numbers. The gini index which economists use to determine income inequality. The fact is the rich got richer during reagan, a lot more than previous generations. The other classes fluctuated. No not an upturn of middle class to upper class but middle class to lower. It was reagan's voodoo economics which most likely killed Bush Srs reelection chances.That is certainly your opinion and one you got out of a textbook. I lived and worked during the 80's and saw the greatest turnaround in attitude and pride than at any other time until 9/11. That enthusiasm lasted a lot longer than the 9/11 turnaround. If there was any shrinking of the middle class it was reflected as an upturn in the upper class. Reagan today is still revered by the majority in this country. bea.gov and bls.gov paint a different picture than you as does real experience at the time.
Again with the rhetoric. The previous president was full of rhetoric and you blindly supported him. I dont support many things Obama has done but if you want to lie im going to correct it. People are flocking so much that CNN still has more cume viewers.Your support and passion for Obama is misguided and founded only in rhetoric. You are unable to see objectively what he is doing and fail to understand the basic foundation upon which this country was built. People are flocking to Fox News to get what the MSM isn't giving them, an objective view of what is happening. Your rhetoric is in direct conflict with actual results and policy and the results are driving people to Fox News as the results do not match the rhetoric coming from NBC, CBS, and ABC.
Not a textbook Im going by government numbers. The gini index which economists use to determine income inequality. The fact is the rich got richer during reagan, a lot more than previous generations. The other classes fluctuated. No not an upturn of middle class to upper class but middle class to lower. It was reagan's voodoo economics which most likely killed Bush Srs reelection chances.
You love saying bls and bea but you never show what they actually say lets see some hard data.
Again with the rhetoric. The previous president was full of rhetoric and you blindly supported him. I dont support many things Obama has done but if you want to lie im going to correct it. People are flocking so much that CNN still has more cume viewers
Reagan's success lasted well past his second term and created strong economic growth. Obama's policies are creating greater economic dependency
Stack57... Ronald Reagan, president of the United States from 1981-1989, had a fiscal plan that significantly involved the use of the national debt. Reagan's economic plan, which is most often called Reaganomics, was tested, and in effect, throughout his two terms in office during the 1980s. At the time the economic plan was being used many felt that it was generating great affluence across the nation. However, the effects of Reaganomics, namely the national debt, are what prove its ineffectiveness. Reaganomics has caused much more harm to the present day economy than it did to that of the 1980s economy. Moreover, few goals of Reaganomics were accomplished. The purpose of this paper is to prove that Reaganomics was an ineffective economic plan for the country. In order to understand how Reaganomics led to such severe economic issues, one must first understand the basic premise of Reaganomics, also called supply-side economics.
The overall assumption of Reaganomics was that taxes could be cut-even if slashing the government's income sent the budget deeply into deficit-because the tax cuts would stimulate so much economic growth that they would pay for themselves and bring the debt back down.
This, unfortunately, did not happen. Moreover, many of these tax cuts were to be given to the wealthy, and most often to corporations. This was done under the basis that if the corporations had more money, from paying less to the government in taxes, they would eventually "trickle down" some of this excess capital to those under them. Once again, this is not what transpired.
Reagan's WHAT? Yeah, Reagan's "Reaganomics" sure did last past his presidency. Another presidency we could have done without. I believe over 135 people on his administration were either convicted, investigated or fired for illegal activities.
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Aside from all Reagan's scandals (dealing with Iran twice, going behind Congress's back breaking laws and almost getting impeached, and sending Bush Sr. to Iran to hold their American hostages for another month until he was in office!) he was the only president to NOT raise the minimum wage.
Yeah, his actions did indeed have long lasting effects. None of them good.
Reagan's success lasted well past his second term and created strong economic growth. Obama's policies are creating greater economic dependency
Reagan was brought up on this thread but has nothing to do with the title of this thread. Keep diverting from the shift in this country and the buyer's remose in voting for Obama
Dirty Harry;1058487705]Yeah, that is why Bush Sr was voted out even after being the hero of Desert Storm.:roll: The economy tanked right after Reagan left office. Look it up.
All Reagan did was get us in debt.
The country had debt before Reagan and has debt every year since. The difference is during the Reagan years and the GW Bush years the American people got to keep more of that they earned thus having less dependence on the govt. and that drives liberals crazy.
Coming at around the same time as the budget deal, America entered into a mild recession, lasting for six months.[11] Many government programs, such as welfare, increased.[11] As the unemployment rate edged upward in 1991, Bush signed a bill providing additional benefits for unemployed workers.[12] 1991 was marked by many corporate reorganizations, which laid off a substantial number of workers. Many now unemployed were Republicans and independents, who had believed that their jobs were secure.
By his second year in office, Bush was told by his economic advisors to stop dealing with the economy, as they believed that he had done everything necessary to ensure his reelection.[11] By 1992, interest and inflation rates were the lowest in years, but by midyear the unemployment rate reached 7.8 percent, the highest since 1984.[12] In September 1992, the Census Bureau reported that 14.2 percent of all Americans lived in poverty.[12] At a press conference in 1990, Bush told reporters that he found foreign policy more enjoyable
You are still cheerleading for Palin?
Of all those accomplishments including having a dad as school secretary and Sarah actually graduating from Wasilla High you forgot one important accomplishment.
She lost in the 2008 election. Can you say Loser...............try your best to dress that one up......................
If Reagan had nothing to do with this thread, why did you insist on inserting his fictional impact here? You mentioned him, in your own inimitable revisionist way. I simply corrected you. You remind me of the little kid who always accuses his friends of cheating because that is how "he" always plays. Your transparent accusations of people rewriting history simply illustrates your guilt of doing the same quite clearly.
After the crimes you and your ilk supported, and still do, during the Bush years it is amusing you have the nerve to attack Obama... on anything.
I, and the majority of America, do not have buyer's remorse. We are more and more thankful everyday that we have a man in the white house who respects our laws and is not out to make him and his friends rich off the backs of the American people. We've had enough of Republicans, mostly Authoritarian Conservatives, using our country for their own selfish desires.
And back to the reversion of personal attacks telling people theyre drinking the koolaid that they believe in some utopian world. Noone has stated they believe in a utopia. This talking point of youris getting overplayed time to change the record.Fictional impact? You continue to show that you are incapable of doing actual research from verifiable non partisan sites. You claim you corrected the record? :rofl
As for the American people not having buyers' remorse, what are the Obama ratings today? He won with 52% of the vote so what are those today?
It really is too bad that there are so many still drinking the Kool-Aid and having a distorted position on the economic foundation upon which this country was built.
Too many are out of touch with reality looking for utopia and believing that by throwing more money at the problem you can solve the problem. When you allow the people and private industry to keep more of their money that indeed does happen.
For someone who complains about the Regan Debt you sure are ignoring the Obama debt. He contributed to the 1.47 trillion 2009 debt and in the first two months of fiscal year 2010 he has added almost 300 billion more. That is putting Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush spending on steroids yet you don't have buyer's remorse? :rofl
I know you are going to really enjoy following the attached
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
And back to the reversion of personal attacks telling people theyre drinking the koolaid that they believe in some utopian world. Noone has stated they believe in a utopia. This talking point of youris getting overplayed time to change the record.
You accuse others of not doing research from non partisan sources and yet your idea of research is merely stating the the acronyms bls and bea instead of showing the actual data from them.
You love bringing up the 1.47 trillion which your own article from abc you posted stated that most of it came from the bush administration
Look it up? I lived it. Never in my entire business career did I do better than during the Reagan years. I actually lived it and worked it, did
since you first posted the abc article that you claimed you didnt post then admitted to posting then claimed part of it was wrong, I have stated that Bush was responsible for most of it. Id say if most of the deficit that you cited as 1.47 came from Bush then yes he did create that deficit. The year just started we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.Well, looks like we are making some progress as it used to be Bush created the deficit and now you are at least acknowledging that most of it came from Bush meaning then that some of it came from Obama.
Now let's continue on, Obama submits fiscal year 2010 budget and the first two months of fiscal year 2010 the deficit was almost 300 billion dollars. Now how do you blame Bush for that? Let's take the first two months of fiscal year 2010 and project it out to the end of the fiscal year. How much with Obama add to the deficit?
Yes, I am 56.
The first four years of Reagan were about as bad as Carter's. I worked for a wholesale finance company at the time and spent most my time repossesing and watching small businesses go belly up. Reagans second term was phenomenal. During that time I worked in the housing industry and the first housing boom led to a great economy. After Reagan left office, the economy tanked and in the first time in my life I was laid off, along with millions of other Americans. You see Reagan's boom was over and Bush Sr paid the price. We went into recession and unemployement exploded.
The economy was so bad that an idiot like Clinton beat Bush Sr. even after Bush's wonderful job with Desert Storm. That's the way it was. There was a recession under GHWB term.
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