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What is it you are trying to master?
Do you think such intentional tactics using insulting over the top vitriol furthers discussion or kill it and drive people away from threads like this?
None of those products are made for the purpose of killing. Even a knife has many other uses other than a weapon.
so does a gun.
a gun is used for target shooting or skeet shooting.
can be used for many purposes other than killing.
again those products don't have to be made for the purpose of killing. this is just a poor argument.
the fact is you need to go sue those industries since people abuse them to go kill tons of people with.
sue pool makers while you are at it because far more people die in pools than are killed by guns.
or ladder makers as more people are killed falling off a ladder.
The stats I've seen show that overall violent crime is much higher in all of Europe than in the US. How those stats are determined I do not know but every source I have seen uses the same(or very similar) statistics.
there, fixed it for you
Only an American could believe that given you are seven times more likely to be killed by your own gun than by that of a criminal :roll:
Says who?
Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
Association between handgun purchase and mortality from firearm injury -- Grassel et al. 9 (1): 48 -- Injury Prevention
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
Firearms in US homes as a risk factor for unintentional gunshot fatality
Injuries and deaths due to firearms in ... - PubMed Mobile - NCBI
The ability to play at being Rambo or Dirty Harry comes at a very great cost to your wider society based on every comparative statistic out there
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes I would agree owning a makes one more likely to be inured in a gun accident, much like owning a home with stairs makes one more likely to take a tumble down the stairs, big no brainer.
Suicide is a personal choice, that doesn't factor into my risks.
Owning a gun is among the many risk factors for homicide, and the most minor of them.
The primary risk factors are drugs, gangs, and criminal activity.
I participate in none of those, so I am not 7 times more likely to be killed with my own gun
Firearm related death rAte is an inveted number made only to push gun control laws. It factors nothing into it other then gun related deaths, whether they be justified, police shootings, accidents (which when controlled shooting is safer then nearly every other sport) etc. it's a raw number without specific meaning
not accidentally with their own guns though, which is part of what you're claimingIf you don't have a gun that risk is taken out of the equation. Rather more people get shot than get killed falling down stairs
Nope try again, many places in the world have higher rates of suicide then the United States.But it does in the wider society given that firearms make a suicide attempt that much more likely to be successful
no you insisted owning a firearm is a major risk factor for homicide, that's a completely separate statement then the method of committing a murder, you're now attempting to muddy the watersNonsense. 72% of all homicides in the states are committed using a firearm
if you lived where I do your chances would be identical, crime in the US is clustered and violent crime overwhelmingly falls on those already involved in criminal activity. If you're walking down the streets of most american cities minding your own business you are in no greater risk here. You are applying raw numbers without controls.We have those too but we also have a 40 times lesser chance of being shot and a 5 times less chance of being murdered overall despite our criminal activity
The facts differ. You are in fact putting yourself and your family at greatly increased risk by keeping a gun at homeAgain wrong, since you like to play the uncontrolled raw number game, the BJS statistic for defensive gun uses is over half a million every year, and accidental gun deaths is maybe 400, it's not high. So that logic makes owning a gun the sensible thing to do.
Dismissal of the facts is easy when the legitimacy of owning guns is threatened. Like I said earlier its uniquely weird US sensibilities that value guns over people
1) your facts are without context and based on assumptions that do not apply to the reality of the situation
2) your last sentence is one of the most pathetic strawmen I have ever seen
not accidentally with their own guns though, which is part of what you're claiming
Nope try again, many places in the world have higher rates of suicide then the United States.
no you insisted owning a firearm is a major risk factor for homicide, that's a completely separate statement then the method of committing a murder, you're now attempting to muddy the waters
if you lived where I do your chances would be identical, crime in the US is clustered and violent crime overwhelmingly falls on those already involved in criminal activity. If you're walking down the streets of most american cities minding your own business you are in no greater risk here. You are applying raw numbers without controls.
Again wrong, since you like to play the uncontrolled raw number game, the BJS statistic for defensive gun uses is over half a million every year, and accidental gun deaths is maybe 400, it's not high. So that logic makes owning a gun the sensible thing to do.
1) your facts are without context and based on assumptions that do not apply to the reality of the situation
2) your last sentence is one of the most pathetic strawmen I have ever seen
people who want to strip Citizens of rights are scumbags. do you support such scumbags?
so does a gun.
a gun is used for target shooting or skeet shooting.
can be used for many purposes other than killing.
again those products don't have to be made for the purpose of killing. this is just a poor argument.
accidently yes, in total deaths no that is not correct
It is the truth that firearms were made as weapons to fire and kill with. When one uses it for that purpose they are using it for the invented purpose.
again has nothing to do with the fact fire arm companies are not responsible for what other people do.
just as car makers are not responsible for the drunk guy that goes and kills a bunch of people.
you can repeat the same failed argument all you want to it will still be the same failed argument.
It is an extremely solid argument as when a person uses a firearm as a weapon, that is exactly what the gun was invented for in the first place.
no it isn't because a firearm can be used for multiple things.
IE target practice and skeet shooting. both very popular and huge events.
actually the gun was invented for self defense purposes.
no it isn't a solid argument at all. as it has a ton of holes. you still have yet to explain to me how a gun maker is responsible for someone else's actions while a car maker is not responsible for the drunk driver that kills someone in their car.
you say it is intent but both the car and gun are inanimate objects they have no intent. it is the people that use those items that has the intent not the object itself.
Get with the program please.Even one of your most vocal gun defenders has already admitted here that guns were invented as weapons.
please show me where I said that wasn't the case? I said they are used for skeet shooting and target practice as well.
I am sorry that you have to make up stuff but you still have yet to prove gun makers are responsible for what someone else does with their gun.
just like car makers are not responsible for what drunk people do in their cars.
according to you they should be.
Its not JUST LIKE anything to do with cars so knock it off already. The gun was invented as a weapon of death. The car was invented as a mode of transportation. Stop already with the false comparisons.
Its not JUST LIKE anything to do with cars so knock it off already. The gun was invented as a weapon of death. The car was invented as a mode of transportation. Stop already with the false comparisons.
All developed nations have auto accident casualties. No one has yet explained why having the large number of additional gun casualties in the US (most of them intentional) yet which are almost absent in other such countries is a good thing
it doesn't matter why it was invented
so we should be sueing automakers right. I mean they are the cause of all these accidents most fatal. if they didn't produce so many cars and everyone took busses then accidents would go down. so lets start sueing car makers. those evil jerks.
because most gun related incidents are accidents? people in general being stupid with firearms.
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