Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Human

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Everyone should be guaranteed enough food, clothing, shelter...at very least.

Fact is, everyone should be guaranteed medical care, education, a means of communication, a means of transportation...and a moderate amount of recreation also.

We have plenty of all that...and there is no need for anyone to not have enough.

ALL OF IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED.

Then the barons and their minions can argue over who gets to put the Van Gogh's into vaults so that the masses cannot see them.

We've got to wake up...which right now would include getting rid of this disgusting conservative mind set.

Or at least, that is my opinion.

 

[bg85]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Agreed! And Food should be Free! And Haircuts should be free! GOVERNMENT PROVISION OF KALE SOUP TOPPED WITH GOAT CHEESE AND THOSE CRUMBLY LITTLE CROUTONS THAT I LIKE IS A HUMAN RIGHT!!!

haha honestly, free internet is not that crazy of an idea. it would be great for the economy and not a very expensive investment.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Sanders: Free Healthcare and College Are Human Rights

As the Bernie Sanders campaign surges, the socialist senator continues to bring the national conversation back from the right after 30 years of bellicose class war rhetoric. In the clip below, he shames those (including Jeb Bush) who would cut taxes for the rich while stripping Social Security. Sanders states clearly that every other industrialized country invests in their own citizens and children and it’s high time that we followed suit. While Sanders is heavily-criticized for identifying as a democratic socialist, he embraces the label. Sanders says countries that abide by the principles of democratic socialism, like Denmark, Sweden, and Finland, often lead the world in healthcare, education, and strength of the middle class.

Moreover, Sanders is striking a chord with the majority of Americans — according to Pew Research, 77 percent of Americans believe too much power is concentrated in the hands of the rich and the wealthiest corporations. 91 percent of Democrats agreed with that statement, along with 80 percent of independents. Even 53 percent of Republicans agreed that the wealthy have too much power in today’s America. Sanders remains unwavering in his commitment to establishing education and health care as a basic human right, not a luxury only available to the privileged. He maintains his plan could be easily funded by requiring the wealthy and the largest corporations to pay much higher taxes. He justifies this by pointing out that the wealthiest 400 Americans control more wealth than the poorest 150 million Americans, combined. And since 2009 — the official end of the recession — 95 percent of all income gains went to the top 1 percent.

Bernie Sanders: Free Healthcare and College as a Right is Not Radical - YouTube

What income level does he consider "wealthy"? This is the typical shell game the liberals play, talk about the "wealthiest 400" when in reality they mean anyone making 100k or more.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Everyone should be guaranteed enough food, clothing, shelter...at very least.

Fact is, everyone should be guaranteed medical care, education, a means of communication, a means of transportation...and a moderate amount of recreation also.

We have plenty of all that...and there is no need for anyone to not have enough.

ALL OF IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED.

Then the barons and their minions can argue over who gets to put the Van Gogh's into vaults so that the masses cannot see them.

We've got to wake up...which right now would include getting rid of this disgusting conservative mind set.

Or at least, that is my opinion.

Wait, now the dependent class wants me to buy them cell phones, cars and provide for their "recreation"?

u r seriouz?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Or, say, major medical expenses?

Yes. That would fall under #2, unless it resulted in a permanent disability that prevented them from ever being able to self-sustain, and then it would fall under #1.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

If a taxpayer uses any of the services they've paid for, then no, it's not. If someone who doesn't pay taxes, then yes. These are services that are state-run, and are examples of "general welfare": everyone can use them. Not so with UHC, free college, or any sort of welfare; those are paid for by the minority, who do not have access to the services they pay for. In other words, their labor is taken without any sort of compensation.

And, do you have to prove you've paid enough taxes, or any at all, to legally drive the nation's highways? How about to call the cops or the firefighters in an emergency?

 

[Hard Truth]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Healthy educated people contribute more in taxes and improve society in numerous ways.

Creating a situation where every child reaches adulthood healthy and well educated, no matter their parent's income and wealth, race, nationality, religion etc is a worthwhile and achievable goal that will strengthen our society.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

haha honestly, free internet is not that crazy of an idea. it would be great for the economy and not a very expensive investment.

:doh



That feeling when you try to make fun of the other side by positing a ridiculous position to them...... and then they trip over themselves to confirm it.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Everyone should be guaranteed enough food, clothing, shelter...at very least.

Fact is, everyone should be guaranteed medical care, education, a means of communication, a means of transportation...and a moderate amount of recreation also.

We have plenty of all that...and there is no need for anyone to not have enough.

ALL OF IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED.

Then the barons and their minions can argue over who gets to put the Van Gogh's into vaults so that the masses cannot see them.

We've got to wake up...which right now would include getting rid of this disgusting conservative mind set.

Or at least, that is my opinion.

IMO, all of this would be covered with a living wage, or I do see many advantages of having a guaranteed income. Either solution would reduce the size of government and the Nanny State. I do believe that in a nation as rich as America, no one should be left without necessities. I'm just not comfortable with big government solutions. For example a guaranteed income would take almost no additional government nor would it allow government to intrude upon the people's lives. It would be no different then sending tax refunds vs. massive government bureaucracies which invades the lives and dictates the rights and freedoms of its recipients like entitlement programs do.

 

[FlyingHippos]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

I did not agree to be a slave, and have my rights and freedoms violated.

You want someone service, time, skill, goods, etc you pay for it. Do not believe go to a strip club and tell the dancers the "social contract" line, the bouncers will get a laugh as they are ejecting you.




No, I will stay and your side will leave.

Being paid for work is part of the 'social contract' already, and explain how we are all 'enslaved' if people aren't allowed in the strip club. Though if you believe people have a fundamental human right to sexual intercourse or sexual shows in strip clubs without paying for it, then expect to pay higher taxes so the state can pay the employees for the citizendry using their services.

Good luck with the leaving part, as you would have to amend the constitution in order to be able to remove citizens or residents from America for purely political reasons.

 

[bg85]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

:doh



That feeling when you try to make fun of the other side by positing a ridiculous position to them...... and then they trip over themselves to confirm it.

ha it was obvious you were making fun - it just isn't a ridiculous position. maybe an in-depth debate on it would be something for another thread but I'd be curious how you would actually argue against it other than with sarcasm.

please know I'm only referring to internet here.

 

[Fiddytree]

Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are...

Radicalism may be one thing, but what Mr. Sanders doesn't seem to care about is whether or not such levels of government financing will address the underlying concerns therein. Universal healthcare may have a greater cause for celebration given the vast number of examples provided to the United States for review. However, the issue of higher education in the United States provides less insight. Mr. Sanders proposes that giving free college would remove the financial burden for students. Perhaps so, however, the dramatic cost increases and growing concern over quality of education has little to do with whether or not a student is given access to financial aid, but any degree of combination of the following:

1) Decreased state contributions to public higher education
2) Increased layers of administration and administrative positions
3) Increased building projects desired by administration
4) Removal of a viable tenure system in favor of low paid, overworked adjunct faculty
5) Bloated distance learning programs
6) Cost of living expenses for students living in another community

Mr. Sanders may promise the world by making certain things "universal" and "free," but will it address the underlying issues? Hardly. It simply throws federal money at the problems, creating perhaps even more incentive for costs to skyrocket.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Wait, now the dependent class wants me to buy them cell phones, cars and provide for their "recreation"?

u r seriouz?

I'm serious as a heart attack, Rev.

How about you?

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

IMO, all of this would be covered with a living wage, or I do see many advantages of having a guaranteed income. Either solution would reduce the size of government and the Nanny State. I do believe that in a nation as rich as America, no one should be left without necessities. I'm just not comfortable with big government solutions. For example a guaranteed income would take almost no additional government nor would it allow government to intrude upon the people's lives. It would be no different then sending tax refunds vs. massive government bureaucracies which invades the lives and dictates the rights and freedoms of its recipients like entitlement programs do.

Fine with me if done with a "guaranteed income."

Government would have to be the employer of last resort, though. I hope you realize that.

And government has only so much to do...so most of the people it would employ would be digging holes and then filling them in.

Seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

I'm serious as a heart attack, Rev.

How about you?

Cars? :cuckoo:

 

[Fiddytree]

Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are...

Everyone should be guaranteed enough food, clothing, shelter...at very least.

Fact is, everyone should be guaranteed medical care, education, a means of communication, a means of transportation...and a moderate amount of recreation also.

We have plenty of all that...and there is no need for anyone to not have enough.

ALL OF IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED.

Then the barons and their minions can argue over who gets to put the Van Gogh's into vaults so that the masses cannot see them.

We've got to wake up...which right now would include getting rid of this disgusting conservative mind set.

Or at least, that is my opinion.

All well and good, but finding a meaningful and productive way has so far eluded us.

Saying we should do it, though perhaps admirable as it is, mostly shows us how much of a failure it is to do so.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Fine with me if done with a "guaranteed income."

Government would have to be the employer of last resort, though. I hope you realize that.

And government has only so much to do...so most of the people it would employ would be digging holes and then filling them in.

Seems like a waste of time to me.

With a "guaranteed income", the government would not employ anyone, it would simply credit every citizen with a base income.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are...

All well and good, but finding a meaningful and productive way has so far eluded us.

Saying we should do it, though perhaps admirable as it is, mostly shows us how much of a failure it is to do so.

It can be done. We have plenty of everything right now...and if we were to increase productivity...we have even more.

Best way to increase productivity: Get rid of as many human workers as possible...and give the work to machines to do.

It can be worked out completely within the capitalistic system we now enjoy. Actually...just a few tweaks needed...and mostly the tweaks need to be made in our attitude rather than our economics.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

With a "guaranteed income", the government would not employ anyone, it would simply credit every citizen with a base income.

Whatever.

IF it can be done that way...fine with me.

The way we do the "distribution" matters very little to me.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

I'm serious as a heart attack, Rev.

How about you?

So what cars and cell phones should we provide people? brands please.

 

[Fenton]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Yep, the government runs many things, and trying to compare a representative democracy to the USSR is an example of dishonesty. I never said I wasn't a socialist, I don't agree with completely abolishing capitalism, like some socialists. Wait, government workers don't get paid?
The government would most likely distribute food. :shrug:

How do you propose to pay for all this " free food " ? How do you propose to pay for all these new Government workers needed to run the communal farms and dstribute goods and services ?

I swear Socialist have the mindset of a 5 year old.

 

[mbig]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

If those are rights, then how about food? Or housing? Or clothing? Or transportation to get to your government supplied job so you can get your government guaranteed check - that is a guaranteed minimum income, which is serious proposal by some now?

At what point do people have to take responsibility for their own lives and be expected to live with the consequences of their own actions, capabilities and choices? Or, are their no consequences, just achievements guaranteed by the government?

Are you really expecting an answer?
Anomalism started TWENTY strings yesterday between 1.30PM and 6.30PM.
ALL without offering ANY additional commentary or opinion in those OPs. (not even a punctuation mark, nor a quote box in most)
That's what he does here.
Newsfeed/BLITZ.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

So what cars and cell phones should we provide people? brands please.

I said "cars" and "cell phones?"

Where did I do that?

 

[Fenton]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

Whatever.

IF it can be done that way...fine with me.

The way we do the "distribution" matters very little to me.

Socialist clap trap.

Guaranteeing a living wage runs counter to some inherent human characteristics that NO form of Governemt and or dictatorship has been able to suppress so far.

All it guarantees is mediocrity, loss of production and less liberty as it is the Government that enforces these guarantees.

What happens when these private companies move themselves and their money out of America ?

It's the ultimate hitch in the lefts idiotic plan to enforce " fairness " .

The ." Rich " and the corporations don't have to play these silly games. They and theyre money are mobile

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Hu

I said "cars" and "cell phones?"

Where did I do that?

My bad, were you talking about CB radios and skateboards?

Fact is, everyone should be guaranteed medical care, education, a means of communication, a means of transportation...and a moderate amount of recreation also.

We have plenty of all that...and there is no need for anyone to not have enough.

ALL OF IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED.