There has not been an argument against same sex marriage under the Marriage License which has supported the rights and liberties of the individual. Without that, you can have no just argument.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
Really the founders thoughts on rights came from a more humanist perspective, that we have rights simply because we are human.
No they have not been "debunked." Reasons have been given as to why certain people see it differently, and that is that.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
like i said that has been thoroughly debunked because it can easily be argued anti-american and hypocritical. YOUR god has no business in other peoples affairs as far as AMERICA is concerned LOL
Aye, and the State is forbidden from discrimination. If it were private contract, it could be restricted as anyone feels fit. But since it's not, it MUST be open to all; including same-sex couples.
Sure, I have no problem, non at all, with allowing gay marriage.
I just think that if you're not going to be driving, you shouldn't have a license. There's no point.
My argument is justified by God. You can like it or not, and considering our rights according to the founders are endowed by the creator, you have no just argument as well.
The only real reason would be if on the off chance you had to drive somewhere. But you're right. If you're not going to drive; then you don't need to get a driver's license.
The problem today is that we have people getting licenses and then either not driving at all of getting into accidents. Gays say they will be no better, so while I have nothing against them I'm not motivated to support them, either. If anything I see them as a distraction, a gigantic Red Herring, to actual solutions to existing problems.
When the gay marriage movement comes with solutions to the divorce rate, I'll give a ****. Until then, I'll vote against them at every turn just out of spit for not caring about the institution.
Shshshshhh...marriage only exists in America, 2011. It never existed before, anywhere else, in human history, and has no basis in human culture
So if someone doesn't want to drive, they shouldn't get a license. If gays want to marry, they shouldn't be allowed to get a license until they can teach straight folk how to create a proper foundation to their marriages and thus decrease the divorce rate?
No one has said that. What has been said is that as soon as government usurped marriage by creating the Marriage License, it left the realm of religion and entered the realm of law. And laws in the United States are to be based on the rights and liberties of the individual. The government is not allowed to discriminate. And since the Marriage License is a government issued and recognized contract, there is no rational and just argument as to forbidding same sex couples their right to contract.
Ok, well I guess I can kinda see that point. But I don't really agree with it. We have a Marriage License, and that should be made available to everyone. That's the only change I think is necessary. I don't think we need any Constitutional amendments to define marriage; that's up to the individual.
While things like personal finance counseling and pre-marital counseling is a very good idea, I can't see it as proper to force it through government.
We should not have to ask government's permission to be married. And if we make poor choices in who we decide to marry, that's our fault and we must then live by those consequences. It sucks, but that's freedom. Freedom is like a length of rope. You can build a swing or hang yourself. It's up to you.
The DoI was part propaganda to excuse the act of rebellion against the Crown and to secure the support of the American people. They will appeal to that which they needed to appeal to in order to generate that support. However, rights do not require gods to exist, they merely require an organism capable of high, abstract thought; such as humans. Marriage is in many aspects, and many of those aspects are personal. The personal aspects of marriage are not what's on debate here. It's the legal context of marriage and the proper use of government in it. As such, so long as the Marriage License exists as a government issued and recognized contract; the right of the people to contract cannot legitimately be infringed upon.
I just think that since we all agree that marriage is a *right*, that it should be a right specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
In many states the government enforces concealed weapons classes, and that's a right.
All states heavily regulate adoption and fostering, and raising children is a right. Why is something so vital to human society as marriage left unguarded against fools who get divorced half the time?
you don't need the government's permission to have a religious ceremony, call your partner your "wife" or "husband", buy a house together and write living wills and powers of attorney. Not at all.
But if you want the government to step in and afford you various protections, well then yes you need to be something the government wants to protect.
Because that's their business, not yours or mine. People have right to contract, meaning they can enter into contract with another willing party at their leisure. If two folk decide that they want to enter into the contract of the Marriage License, they should be more than free to do so. If they didn't think it through or go through the proper courses, then it' that's their bad. They have to accept the consequences of their actions. Should have made a better choice, but I'm not going to sit around and make everybody's choices for them. They can do what they want so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. As for children, it becomes a lot more complicated there particularly with adoption because there's another human involved beside two adults who consented to forming a contract. You have to make sure that child can be properly cared for. There's no right to adoption, it's just that through biology you can get kids on your own. And it's a can of worms right there trying to regulate biology.
you have every right to your opinion, but remember some of the founding fathers were adulterers and slave owners. did god not endow slaves with rights as well? my thoughts is that our rights weren't endowed by anyone, we make our own rights.
Yes they actually have been thoroughly debunked about "stoping" gay marriage. There is no changing that, if you are so certain by all means bring one up that is sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american non-discriminative reasons are there to "Stop" gay marriage.
I always quote STOP because thats whats key and the debate. You are free to think, preach, teach etc what ever you want but stopping it is WRONG. And im not talking about just the act of voting, that is a freedom too but doing so is wrong and has been proven here and other threads over and over again.
Ive debated this with you before and you know they have all been debunked
I respect your views,(please correct me if Im wrong)
you view god as your highest law and thats fine and dandy
you view god as thinking gay marriage would be a sin and thats fine and dandy
you view the bible as more important and bigger law then the constitution and thats fine and dandy
YOU have the right to do all those things, and I would defend those too! but once you try to force those views on me as an american you are flat out wrong. As long as its sound mind consenting adults its none of your business who I or other people merry just like its none of my business who you merry. Its also wrong to discriminate. YOUR religious beliefs are great for YOU. For others they are not. If gay marriage becomes legal tomorrow you lose nothing, you get to keep all that I have already mentioned, but, today, right now, american citizens dont have the same rights and thats wrong plain and simple.
Again YOU believe what you want, I will always respect and fight for that freedom cause you are an american just like I respect and will fight for the gay americans not to be discriminated against.
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