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Sam silvester and other Jews talk about the bloody anti-semitism in UK

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Sam Silvester (his family name isn't a Jewish one but the migration clerk in England gave this name to his great-grandfather when he arrived to England because his original family name was something like Schivartiarshtein) is a well known Jewish lawyer who represented the Beatles and Paul Mcartney. He is living in Israel in the last 11 years. He gave an interview to Yuval Heiman in the Israeli Maariv newspaper at 15.12.06, here is a paragraph in which he talks about the anti-semitism in England:


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No wonder why the coming of Jews from UK to Israel is on the raise:


And what do the Jews from UK have to said about it:

"I'm going home," says British-born Sharon. "It's a place that I have wanted to go for many years. My mother is Israeli and our family have survived there for many years in difficult times. But I am also going for the good times."

People are wonderful to you," he says. "You're not a 'bloody immigrant' - none of that talk you get here in England. You're someone coming home who hears: 'Baruch haba! Welcome here!

"To say you are a Jew because of your religion is not the whole story. You are part of a people with a shared history and culture. It's the story of a Jewish civilisation to want to return to Israel."


"We believe that this is our country we are going to and that gives us protection. I could get on the Tube tomorrow here in London and the risks are the same."
Full article inside
 
Record surge in anti-Semitic attacks - Yahoo! News

I seen the news today about it. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. We fought WW2 to get rid of fascist scum like this. Nazi symbols on Jewish gravestones. Our grandfathers must be turning on their graves. These people need sense beat into them. :bringit
 

Dont be to sure they would turn in thier graves. After all they were fighting against the Nazies long before it became public knowledge about what was happening to the Jews in Germany. They were fighting facism, not a country committing genocide against the Jews.

But on the subject at hand. Yea it sucks and has to be condemed and fought against, regardless of what country it is in. Such acts happen all over the place, not just in Europe and not just against Jewish symbols. Religious intolerance or scapegoating happens all over.

But we also have to be a tad realistic in our attitude towards the issue and not bog down in guilt and label calling as it always is done, in the media and on these boards. Why do people do such things? And how can we prevent such attitudes from appearing? Such questions need answering and a lot of soul searching must be done on all sides.

But this whole article for example is another example of an attack on Europe. Its unbalanced and paints a picture that is not accurate. But that does not mean that the issue at hand is not a problem, far from it. Its serious and needs as I have said, adressing.
 
For starters the opinions of someone who hasn't lived in the UK for over a decade are hardly pertinent to the present. Secondly I would question which areas of British society is this anti-semitism coming from? Bear in mind the burgeoning Muslim community, many immigrating from far less enlightened locales than western Europe. On the other hand, it is a fact that far-right and fascist politics is rearing its head, not just in Britain either. I'm sure that the only thing the BNP enjoys more than espousing its anti-Muslim sentiments would be blaming Israel and the Jews for the terror attacks we have suffered in Europe. Finally, I would point out that much like it has become trendy to be anti-American in the last few years, due to broadly liberal and socialist politics of Europe it is fairly common for people to be arbitrarily critical of Jews in relation to the Israeli state. Unfortunately many people are too quick to condemn when a Palestinian is killed without first considering either the broader facts of the issue or more importantly placing themselves in the Israeli perspective. I find that when confronted with the hypothetical example given by Mr Silvester, of Britain being attacked by terrorism from France, most will realise the hypocrisy of blanket condemnation of Israel.

Excellent point, recall that the vandalism of cemetaries by fascists, racists and Islamists, be they specifically Jewish or war graves have been universally condemned in recent years. While the fact that anti-semitism is rising is clear, I would argue that it is part of a wider problem of extremism appearing around Europe as a compound result of several issues. That we must crush the life out of it once again goes without saying.
 

I dont agree that Europeans give a blanket condemnation of Isreal. European countries and goverments and media constantly condem Palestinian acts of terror towards isreal, and have done so all the time. They have even constantly acknowledged Isreals right to defend itself against agression.

What is different about Europe is that we actually of condem some Isreali agression towards the Palestinians, and that sets us miles appart from the US. If you want to talk about hypocrisy, then the US is full of it when it conserns the Isreal-Palestinian conflict. There is rarely if any condemnation of Isreali policy towards the Palestinians, where as there is constant ridicule and condemnation of the Palestinians. If you look at US media and commentary, then Isreal can do no wrong, and its all the Palestinians fault. Well that aint reality, thats brainwashing propoganda. Both sides are at fault, both sides are idiots and morons, who keep attacking each other to keep a meaningless conflict going. Both sides should be condemended for their actions when they go way over the line. That does not happen in the US, but does happen up to a point in Europe.


Yes it is a compound result of several issues, some local, some national, some international.

The local and national ones are often things like unemployment and other social issues.. basicly the blame game. People are frustrated and want someone to blame and they choose the Jews, gypsis, muslims or other minorites. Its been happening for thousands of years and it dont make it right. But fact is also, that there are far more attacks on Muslims or other minorities, either directly or indirectly (discrimination) than there are on Jews, but we "rarely" hear about it in the media. But attacks on Jews is splattered all over the place. Old hatred and scape goating is hard to get rid of in any society or country, even the US, especially in a time of turmoil, change or conflict.

Now only the international ones are common in all countries and that is the present middle eastern mess. Europeans are some of the only ones openly cirtical of both sides, and of course because we are critical of Isreali policy, then we are now anti semites and god knows what. That we support the Palestinians with money (which the US also does btw) then we are pro Palestinian and anti Isreali. That Europeans finally see that both sides in the conflict are jackasses, who seem to want the conflict to continue forever, makes us "enemies of Isreal" and anti muslim at the same time. Its a no win situation basicly.
 
Watch the video

The combination of radical left and radical Islam defend those who do anti-semite attacks in UK, UK is the most anti-semite country in Europe. A Jewish girl has been attacked by Muslims there in the bus.

The racist attacks upon anti-semite backgrounds have been doubled in the last decade.
 

On the contary its anti-facist organisations dominated by the far left such as Searchlight that are actively campaining against the type of people who are behind these attacks. Most of whom would be from Neo-nazi groups such as the BNP and National front. Hence the Nazi symbols you see in the video. Far left groups such as the Socialist Workers Party are the main front against facism see Anti-fascism articles – Socialist Worker (Britain).

If you go to any major gathering of a racist organisation in the Uk chances are you,ll find people protesting against it, normally waving red flags. The radical left and racist organisations in the Uk are directly opossed to each other.
 

Thanks PeteEU, I've been trying to say that for the last two years on this site. :2wave: :mrgreen:

Although I wish to say that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians want peace and want a two state solution. Of course its the politicans and people with guns that mess it up. :roll:
 
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The combination of radical left and radical Islam defend those who do anti-semite attacks in UK, UK is the most anti-semite country in Europe.

No it isn't.

Britain - as Red Dave as already pointed out - has one of the strongest anti-fascist movements in Europe

Right-wing parties (such as the BNP) are gaining ground however. The BNP are lead by a holocaust denier . . . Who stands up to them with massive support?

Those "anti-semitic" Leftists, it seems. Moreso, it's these "radical leftists" who have stood up against real anti-semitism, countless times in the past.

Read some history: Battle of Cable Street - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Right-wing parties (such as the BNP) are gaining ground however. The BNP are lead by a holocaust denier . . . Who stands up to them with massive support?
So when they want to prevent the Islamization of UK you call them "right-wing parties"?

I don't know the leader of them and I don't know if he is a holocaust denier but what I know is that you are 100% Israel denier and you identify with the nowadays Nazis:

Palestinian police officers salute during a graduation ceremony in the West Bank town of Jenin May 9, 2006:


 

You do realise that your standing up for a party that refuses to let brittish jews become members, and is an offshoot of the party that was the UKs counter part to hitlers Nazi party? :roll:
 
You do realise that your standing up for a party that refuses to let brittish jews become members, and is an offshoot of the party that was the UKs counter part to hitlers Nazi party? :roll:
You do realise that you don't have any idea about the things you are talking about? Cause there are Jews in BNP!

Jews are not the target of the BNP.
BNP don't promote genocide of Jews.
BNP don't send their children to bomb up synagogues.
BNP don't promote the destruction of Israel.

I don't know if they are Jews lovers but where it's written that everyone should love Jews? Britian is not the home of the Jews. Jews don't have nothing to do in Britian. It's not their home and not their place and the mass Jews who come to Israel these days prove it. How many Jews live in Britian? 200,000? In couple of years from now most of them will leave Britian as they should have done dozens of years ago. Jews have only one place - Israel.

You hate the BNP because you love the Islamlo-fascists who wish to turn Britian to Britainstan.

And again, don't talk about the views of others cause you identify with the nowadays Islamo-Nazis, so take a look at your own back before you talk about others!
 
You do know that salute has been used by countries and militaries for several thousand years right?
 

No i dislike the BNP because of there history and connections with violent racism and anti-semtism ,if you look it up you will see that they are an offshoot from the National front, an openly Facist party. As you would expect anti-semitism is prevelent among neo-nazi groups and the former student leader of the BNP Mark Collet has gone on record as saying Hitler was good for Germany. For more information on anti-semtism in the BNP see UNCOVERED - BNP and antisemitism

If there are Jews in the BNP they have joined against the rules of said party see. British National Party - Chairman Nick Griffin - Working to secure a future for British children

As regards Islamic facism it should be noted that [A] Ive never argued in favor of islamic facism, see my comments on Iran The BNP targets black ,asian and jewish people as well as muslims.

Being a jewish supporter of Nazism really doesnt look good on you. Maybe some research would be an idea Special report: the far right | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics
 
You and the likes of you are talking about fighting with anti-semitism from here to the end of the world but the sad truth is that you and the likes of you were marching together with Hizbullah and Hamas supporters in the streets of London.

I don't buy your 3rd league apologetics.
 
As regards Islamic facism it should be noted that [A] Ive never argued in favor of islamic facism, see my comments on Iran
You support the Palestinian Islamo-facism.

The BNP targets black ,asian and jewish people as well as muslims.

WOW, does he send people to kill Jews in synagogues? Does he send people to kill black citizens of London.

He is againt the Muslims/Asian Muslims and he has all the right to be against them cause the Muslim citizens of UK are trying to ruin UK:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfU7wskFdg[/youtube]

Being a jewish supporter of Nazism really doesnt look good on you. Maybe some research would be an idea Special report: the far right | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics
I'm not a supporter of Nazism and BNP is not an enemy of Israel nor an enemy of Jews.
 

I may criticise isreali policy but that doesnt mean i support Hamas. If i where a supporter of islamic facism I wouldnt argue against hezbollah.

As for your comment about bombings ild invite you to look at the guardian report i gave you for information on the BNPs connections with violence.

Incidently the white guy in the video you posted was argueing *against* the BNP. Listen to the comments he made about facism.

If the BNP has no connection with anti-semetism then why did its leader [a former member of the national front] write a leaflet entiled "who are the mindbenders?" that argued infavor of anti-semetic conspiricy theorys? Maybe because they are racist ,paramilitary, neo-nazi, thugs in suits.
 
Incidently the white guy in the video you posted was argueing *against* the BNP. Listen to the comments he made about facism.
When I said: "he", I mean to the BNP and not to this guy.

Red_Dave said:
If the BNP has no connection with anti-semetism then why did its leader [a former member of the national front] write a leaflet entiled "who are the mindbenders?" that argued infavor of anti-semetic conspiricy theorys?
Maybe in the past they were little bit anti semeties but I believe they have mended their ways a lot. They simply want to keep Britain British.
 
When I said: "he", I mean to the BNP and not to this guy.


Maybe in the past they were little bit anti semeties but I believe they have mended their ways a lot. They simply want to keep Britain British.

A bit Anti-semetic? One of the partys leaders was recorded expressing admireation for Hitler as recently as 2002:doh. How can a party that lets former skinheads assume a possition of leadership be "a bit anti-semetic". As for the rebranding you,ve got to remember that the BNP must make itself look moderate in order to prevent legal trouble [insighting racial hatred is illegal here] and have a chance of winning parliamentary seats. If you look under the surface however the same sentiment is there.
 
You hate the BNP because you love the Islamlo-fascists who wish to turn Britian to Britainstan.

Wow, a Jewish guy standing up for Nazis.:roll:

I hate the BNP because they are an inept political group of anti-semitic, holocaust denying, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist thugs who use a facade of polulist policies aimed at attracting the igronant. The BNP have links to extreme right-wing terrorist groups like Combat 18, and have done since the start.

Their leader Nick Griffin is a well known anti-semite and holocaust denier. Or "holohoax" as he calls it. He has updated the book "Did Six Million Really Die", and has made verbal attacks on Jews.


"They want to keep Britain British"? Hmm lets see, their founder worshiped Hitler . . . I believe that Hitler did try to invade Britain. Lucky for us that "war mongering slob" (to quote Griffin) Churchill managed to stop him, huh?!.:doh

How can you defend this? Is "Islamlo-fascists who wish to turn Britian to Britainstan" not reminiscent of Nazi propaganda against Jews?

Good thing we have all these "loony lefties" to speak up against real anti-semitism.

And you have the nerve to call me an "anti-semite" for criticizing the Israeli government. :roll:
 
And you have the nerve to call me an "anti-semite" for criticizing the Israeli government. :roll:
You wish the destruction of Israel.

I call you NAZI, and not only you, but also your PARENTS.
 
You wish the destruction of Israel.

I call you NAZI, and not only you, but also your PARENTS.


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I am I supposed to be deterred by your petty insults? Could you please explain to me how I support the "destruction of Israel"? Could you point out where I support Nazism? I mean my criticism of the Nazi BNP to who you have shown support will make the latter a bit difficult don't you think?

Or is it that I hate them because I support Radical Muslims who wish to take over the UK? If so there is a conspiracy forum for you to post all your crap in.:2wave:

You are the one who is supporting Nazism chum . . . you are the one who supports the Nazi BNP, and racial segregation!

Your Zionist rhetoric on this site has reached a new low.

PS: all these insults coming my way? I've had a few warnings for lashing out on occation but I have now been called a "anti-semite", "Brit dumbass", "crap", "Islamo-puppet", "Nazi", "holocaust denier" etc etc . . . you know, mods?
 
Red-Dave:'You do realise that your standing up for a party that refuses to let brittish jews become members, and is an offshoot of the party that was the UKs counter part to hitlers Nazi party?'

Wrong ...

At least one of my forebears was Jewish (which makes me Jewish though I was raised as a Catholic ... now an agnostic) and they have fielded a Jewish candidate at local elections. I have been to many BNP meetings and have never heard a whisper of anti-Semitism, and neither do they sing 'Throw The Jew Down The Well' to round off the evening entertainment. Nor do they promote attacks on ANY ethnic group or religious sect.

So Griffin is/was a 'holocaust denier' BFD It isn't a crime here (yet) The NF may still espouse anti-Semitism, the BNP do not, neither do they wear jack-boots, shout Sieg Heil! or drag their knuckles along the floor. What they HAVE come to realise is that Islamic fundamentalism poses the greatest threat to western culture.

''Tragt in mit Stoltz den Gelben fleck.'' Robert Weltsch.
 
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Of course the party isnt going to be openly anti-semetic. There not going to get any votes if there banged up. However anti-semetism does exist below the surface. If this is not the case then why was Mark Collect caught on camera expressing admiration for Hitler?1

Griffin didnt just denny the holocaust, he blamed jews for controlling the media and "providing us with an endless diet of pro-multiracial, pro-homosexual, anti-British trash"2

Its inaccurate to claim the BNP is limited to the inocent goal of stopping islamic extremism. The target isnt Islamic extremism but muslims themselves [or more accurately asians]. Hence why Nick Griffin was arrested for a speach about how asian men [yes all of them] prey on young girls.

1 C4 News - UK - BNP - Young Nazi and Proud
2 Nick Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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