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Again: Suggestive interpretation.
Nothing that I read heard or saw from anyone in the administration led me to anythig close to the conclusion that Iraq was involved in 9-11.
Given the statements that were made, I cannot imagine how anyone with any mastery of the English language could reach such a conclusion.
RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
CHENEY: No. I think it's not surprising that people make that connection.
RUSSERT: But is there a connection?
CHENEY: We don't know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn't have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we've learned a couple of things.
There I go, what?
I dont see a quote from anyone here, especially not Bush/Cheney.
MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.
MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.
We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ’93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.
Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we’ve had the story that’s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know.
Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack
What did Cheney say?So, are you saying no connection was made because the Vice President didn't specifically say it, and that everyone should have realized his innuendo was false?
Do you know anyone that did?I did not say I fell for it...
Do you know anyone that did?
I don't -- and yet, I hear about how 70% of the people of the US thought there was some connection.
All of the statements I have seen speak to a pre-9-11 relationship between Iraq and AQ. Presuming you have reason to believe that said relatioship exists, and someone asks you if Iraq was involved with 9-11, and absent any concrete information to the contrary, what can you say other than "I don't know' or 'I have not seen any evidence to directly support that'?
The study, a quarterly report on Iraq from U.N. inspectors, notes that the U.S. teams' inability to find any weapons after the war mirrors the experience of U.N. inspectors who searched there from November 2002 until March 2003.
Do you know anyone that did?
I don't -- and yet, I hear about how 70% of the people of the US thought there was some connection.
All of the statements I have seen speak to a pre-9-11 relationship between Iraq and AQ. Presuming you have reason to believe that said relatioship exists, and someone asks you if Iraq was involved with 9-11, and absent any concrete information to the contrary, what can you say other than "I don't know' or 'I have not seen any evidence to directly support that'?
Point being, they were a threat
who was involved in the worlds biggest embezzelment scheme in cahoots with the UN, france, russia et all, while blaming us for starving iraqis.
nonesense Bush one told us to stand down because he was a UN coward. We stood ready to go in and were equipped to take bagdhad when he pulled us out because of the namby UN. Had he gone in, we wouldn't be there now.
Point being...not a threat to us. We were palling around with him, urging him to attack Iran, and assisting him in this war.
Last thing I will post on this topic. Getting back to the thought that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction:
USATODAY.com - U.N.: Iraq had no WMD after 1994
I can't believe how people are still complaining about this. Who gives a damn if he had WMD? We spent an entire 45 year Cold War defacing our values and supporting or maintaining dictators to satisfy the easy fix against a bigger issue. We have been criticized and criticized for this by our "friends" across the ocean and by our own self-righteous people. Yet in the Post Cold War, we acted as the UN muscle just to maintain Saddam Hussein's throne to satisfy that Cold War legacy of "stability" while we simply pretended that his people weren't starving to death. In 2001, a mad man would shock the world and use the "starving children of Iraq" as one of his false justifications for the 9/11 attack. And in 2003, the same idiots and morons of America that dared to blame our own government's behaviors in the Middle East, as if accepting any and all blame was noble, dared to criticize the government as it set out to fix one of our mistakes in the Middle East.
WMD is an excuse. And excuse used by the Rumsfeld coven and President Bush and it was (and is) an excuse for the critics who secretly didn't give a damn about what we were supposed to be doing for this ****ed up and twisted world that we maintained throughout the Cold War for "stability." Think I'm wrong? First of all, I'm rarely wrong. And second.......the end of the Cold War started off with the great American power of freedom and democracy condemning over 20 million people in Iraq because the thought of actually taking out the dictator didn't please the UN's outdated idea of world structure and "peace." And for twelve years, the prescriptions of the Cold War lingered on.
I always find it disheartening when people (Americans especially) find enough strength to preach about value and good morality, yet are more than willing to turn a blind eye behind their public bitching.
If you are "rarely wrong" why is there no mention of the fact that we invaded Iraq to get the oil, not to right wrongs and free people?
Prove we invaded Iraq to get the oil. Prevarication as usual.
I think this is why the right is so gullible and accepting of lies...as long as you don't hear the words, it doesn't exist. I think everyone but you knows we invaded Iraq for the oil.
This is your inference, not Cheney's implication.So you are saying it's ok for the vice president to purposely mislead the American people?
Because this doesn't cost me anything other than time, I don't mind wasting the effort to ask you to prove this 'fact'...If you are "rarely wrong" why is there no mention of the fact that we invaded Iraq to get the oil...
If you are "rarely wrong" why is there no mention of the fact that we invaded Iraq to get the oil, not to right wrongs and free people?
If you are "rarely wrong" why is there no mention of the fact that we invaded Iraq to get the oil, not to right wrongs and free people?
Show me where the oil is or went.I think this is why the right is so gullible and accepting of lies...as long as you don't hear the words, it doesn't exist. I think everyone but you knows we invaded Iraq for the oil.
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