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No doubt, this is a very long wait and a very sad outcome.

"An Ontario family is calling on the provincial government to introduce legislation that would set maximum emergency room wait times for children after their teenage son died following an eight-hour wait for a doctor in a hospital last year.

GJ and Hazel van der Werken, of Burlington, Ont., said their 16-year-old son, Finlay, had a few days of mild illness and was suffering from migraines before his condition began to worsen. Hazel rushed him to Oakville Trafalgar Memorial Hospital on Feb. 7, 2024, she said.

"We go through to the normal emergency department which was filled with a lot of people, just the whole corridor was just full of people in chairs," Hazel recalled in an interview Thursday. "That was where Finlay was calling out in pain."

He was triaged quickly, she said, which gave her hope that he'd see at doctor "at any moment."

"But the 'any moment' turned into eight hours and 22 minutes," Hazel said."

 
happened to my father.. he went in on a weekend and an auto wreck made him wait.. he died in the waiting room
 
gbg3 said:
No doubt, this is a very long wait and a very sad outcome.

"An Ontario family is calling on the provincial government to introduce legislation that would set maximum emergency room wait times for children after their teenage son died following an eight-hour wait for a doctor in a hospital last year.

GJ and Hazel van der Werken, of Burlington, Ont., said their 16-year-old son, Finlay, had a few days of mild illness and was suffering from migraines before his condition began to worsen. Hazel rushed him to Oakville Trafalgar Memorial Hospital on Feb. 7, 2024, she said.

"We go through to the normal emergency department which was filled with a lot of people, just the whole corridor was just full of people in chairs," Hazel recalled in an interview Thursday. "That was where Finlay was calling out in pain."

He was triaged quickly, she said, which gave her hope that he'd see at doctor "at any moment."

"But the 'any moment' turned into eight hours and 22 minutes," Hazel said."

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Its is certainly a tragedy.
My condolences go out to the family.
Long wait times can and does happen in the u.s. as well.
Are you attempting to make a political statement of some kind?
 
gbg3 said:
No doubt, this is a very long wait and a very sad outcome.

"An Ontario family is calling on the provincial government to introduce legislation that would set maximum emergency room wait times for children after their teenage son died following an eight-hour wait for a doctor in a hospital last year.

GJ and Hazel van der Werken, of Burlington, Ont., said their 16-year-old son, Finlay, had a few days of mild illness and was suffering from migraines before his condition began to worsen. Hazel rushed him to Oakville Trafalgar Memorial Hospital on Feb. 7, 2024, she said.

"We go through to the normal emergency department which was filled with a lot of people, just the whole corridor was just full of people in chairs," Hazel recalled in an interview Thursday. "That was where Finlay was calling out in pain."

He was triaged quickly, she said, which gave her hope that he'd see at doctor "at any moment."

"But the 'any moment' turned into eight hours and 22 minutes," Hazel said."

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You don't really care about this.
 
Wait times in Emergency rooms are a real thing, whether here or in Canada. My concern are the personnel triaging and reassessing patients at regular intervals. Someone missed something initially or upon reassessment.
 
I'll see yours and raise you:

ER Waiting times.

Hospital wait times

Another

Only part of the story

And even more Anecdotal but nevertheless real stories as told by real named Americans.

So tell me if those RAM clinics are still a thing down there whereby the only healthcare available to whole swaths of Americans in multiple states is a CHARITY based Clinic that comes into the area once a year if . . . God willing and the creek don't rise.

The notable difference with your offering is it being rare enough it made National news in Canada whereas Americans are dying in droves for the same thing, waiting time for a hospital room, medical errors, lack of insurance, lack of specialist, refusal of treatment plan by insurance, lack of - etc., AND the BIGGIE; 45% of you self denying a visit to see the Dr. because of the cost until it might be too late.

Those deaths are so commonplace in the U.S. they barely get mentioned on page twelve of the Daily Courier in Bumfugg Montana.

AND it is a worsening situation in the U.S. with a very conservative estimate placing 26,000 of you dying yearly. God help you all because your fubarred system of healthcare delivery won't.
 
Your concern is touching.......

Terrible situation which demands a thorough investigation. He was triaged quickly and then somehow was overlooked. Process, protocol, human error? Knowing this particular hospital as well as I do, it is where I went with my heart attack, this problems will be dealt with so no other family faces this trajic loss.
 
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Callen said:
Terrible situation which demands a thorough investigation. He was triaged quickly and then somehow was overlooked. Process, protocol, human error? Knowing this particular hospital as well as I do, it is where I went with my heart attack, this problems will be dealt with so no other family faces this trajic loss.
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Unfortunately it will happen again. In every hospital in the world mistakes are made by triage staff, doctors, nurses and pharmacists.
 
I can't say what I want to say about this presentation by the OP.
Can only speak from personal experience.
I had a melanoma discovered on my head three years back, it was removed the same week and skin grafted on. To tend to the graft I was sent to a clinic where they would clean the wound (also the donor site) for up to two months till everything was starting to heal. ALL at no extra money out of my pocket.
More recently had some back issues. Was at the hospital for three hours. Xrays and blood work taken. Found some L5 disc comprehension. Was sent to a physiotherapist for 7 visits who worked on my back and gave me exercises. I feel like brand new. NO money out of pocket.
Wife had knee replacement, and YES, had to wait about 6 months which some American Righties would point to to say "see!!" but the knee replacement, 4 follow up visits, and physiotherapy for her as well, ALL paid for without a cent.
AND by the way, because we are seniors, our meds are covered, AND even if they weren't, meds up here are a fraction of what Americans pay.

So anyone posting "examples" of a case here or a case there knocking the Canadian medical system, I could just as easily post thread after thread about Americans going broke or in debt from medical bills.

Meanwhile...........

Balhan’s father died last year after struggling with dementia. During one episode late in his life, he became so agitated that he tried to exit a moving car. Balhan recalls her dad — larger than life, steady and loving — yelling at the top of his lungs.

His geriatric psychiatrist recommended she take him to the emergency room at Endeavor Health’s Edward Hospital in the Chicago suburb of Naperville because of its connection to an inpatient behavioral care unit. She hoped it would help get him a quick referral.

But Speer spent 12 hours in the emergency room — at one point restrained by staff — waiting for a psych evaluation. Balhan didn’t know it then, but her dad’s experience at the hospital is so common it has a name: ER boarding.

One in six visits to the emergency department in 2022 that resulted in hospital admission had a wait of four or more hours, according to an Associated Press and Side Effects Public Media data analysis. Fifty percent of the patients who were boarded for any length of time were 65 and older, the analysis showed.
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fortune.com

America's hours-long ER wait times for hospital beds are deadly—and experts warn it's about to get even worse

One in six visits to the emergency department in 2022 that resulted in hospital admission had a wait of four or more hours, according to an analysis.
fortune.com fortune.com

So stop this nonsense of pointing to individual cases, as grievous as they are, as an indictment of the Canadian health care system. Because I guarantee I could post multiple threads like this one..........

A Woman Died After Being Told It Would Be a “Crime” to Intervene in Her Miscarriage at a Texas Hospital​

www.propublica.org

A Texas Woman Died After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care

Josseli Barnica is one of at least two pregnant Texas women who died after doctors delayed emergency care. She’d told her husband that the medical team said it couldn’t act until the fetal heartbeat stopped.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
 
Brusan said:
Minimal searching also revealed this one:

ER. wait times.
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From your link:
Hospitals across the United States are facing a persistent and worsening crisis: patients sick enough to require inpatient care are being forced to wait — sometimes for hours, sometimes for an entire day — in emergency departments due to a lack of available hospital beds.
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But the OP feels the need to point to the odd example of where wait times caused a death in Canada, while ignoring similar stories in the US.
 
The hospital closest to me is Georgetown University, so I thought it made sense to get there first after my teledoc told me he feared I might be a candidate for DVT (I wasn't fortunately).

Wait time? 9 hours.

Took my chances. Slept on it. Went the next day to a local hospital in Arlington, where I had to wait about an hour. I knew then it probably wasn't DVT but went to rule it out and also to find out what it really was (cellulitis caught early, fortunately).

Wait times are what happens when the supply of physicians, nurses, beds, and equipment can't keep up with demand. It's a problem many developed nations are having and will continue to have until the populations start to get a little younger again.

Oh, and OP, p.s. - MAGA Jesus' war on immigration and his tariffpalooza are only going to make things here one hell of a lot worse. Maybe redirect your concerns closer to home, then.
 
multivita-man said:
Wait times are what happens when the supply of physicians, nurses, beds, and equipment can't keep up with demand.
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No hospital can resource to the highest possible surge.

They'll look at what else was going on at the time. Was there a series of incoming traumas or cardiac events for example.
 
Allan said:
No hospital can resource to the highest possible surge.

They'll look at what else was going on at the time. Was there a series of incoming traumas or cardiac events for example.
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I can only speculate what it was in the case I mentioned. If I had to guess, I suspect it was one of the later waves of COVID plus a backlog of other illnesses as a result of people not getting checked out in a while.
 
Every time an American tries this nonsense to hopefully score an "embarrassment moment" towards Canadians; it ends badly for that poster.

There is a plethora of factual evidence available on U.S. Gov sites as well as the various MSM and social network sites within the U.S. itself that even cursory perusal by those thusly motivated should cause them pause.

Everything from episodes such as this one to the full spectrum of healthcare failures in both countries have been thoroughly bandied to and fro for decades now.

The end result is always the same. Canadians will always have more ammo in these pointless skirmishes with even Americans themselves chiming in with invective aimed at the O/P.

I suppose wishing for it to just stop and focusing on generalized healthcare improvement in both countries would be too much to hope for?
 
Allan said:
The OP feigning concern about a deceased child simply to troll is probably the most disgraceful thing I've ever read here.
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No worse than some other concern trolling type threads.

Allan

Thread 'Nearly half of adult cancer deaths in the US could be prevented by making lifestyle changes, study finds'

I think a lot of people assume cancer is a risk primarily associated with chance and genetics.

But a new study has found half of all cancers can be avoided with lifestyle modifications we control.

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Allan

Thread 'Is the US a western ally?'

America:
Is supporting Putin over a European ally.

Has plans for ethnic cleansing in Gaza, contrary to the 2 state solution favored by almost all western countries.

Is threatening allies such as Canada, Denmark and Mexico.

Has indicated indifference to abiding by NATO's Article 5.

Based on all of this is America still a western ally?
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Allan

Thread 'The US is complicit in genocide. Let’s stop pretending otherwise'

Writing for The Guardian Mehdi Hasan presents a case that America isn't an innocent bystander but is in fact wholly complicit in Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

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multivita-man said:
Wait times are what happens when the supply of physicians, nurses, beds, and equipment can't keep up with demand. It's a problem many developed nations are having and will continue to have until the populations start to get a little younger again.
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I suspect with the withdrawal of Medicaid coverage and the imposing of a copay for doctor visits and the reduction in funding for small rural hospitals will only cause the problems with emerg wait times in the US to grow.
 
trixare4kids said:
No worse than some other concern trolling type threads.

Allan

Thread 'Nearly half of adult cancer deaths in the US could be prevented by making lifestyle changes, study finds'

I think a lot of people assume cancer is a risk primarily associated with chance and genetics.

But a new study has found half of all cancers can be avoided with lifestyle modifications we control.

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Allan

Thread 'Is the US a western ally?'

America:
Is supporting Putin over a European ally.

Has plans for ethnic cleansing in Gaza, contrary to the 2 state solution favored by almost all western countries.

Is threatening allies such as Canada, Denmark and Mexico.

Has indicated indifference to abiding by NATO's Article 5.

Based on all of this is America still a western ally?
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Allan

Thread 'The US is complicit in genocide. Let’s stop pretending otherwise'

Writing for The Guardian Mehdi Hasan presents a case that America isn't an innocent bystander but is in fact wholly complicit in Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

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anatta said:
happened to my father.. he went in on a weekend and an auto wreck made him wait.. he died in the waiting room
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Oh gosh, that's awful.

I remember when I was young, ER wait times in the U.S. were sometimes pretty long (maybe even 2-3 hours). And these ERs were only in full size hospitals. But in the last decade, it seems like hospital satellite ERs are everywhere. Not too many years ago, I lived in a big city and there were at least two of those within about a mile of my house. They had big boards outside that constantly updated the current wait time and, while I never needed to use one of those, my doc office was right next to one and when I passed it, the wait time was always in the 10-30 minute range. So, kind of like assisted care/independent living facilities have become very abundant in the U.S. in the last decade, so have ERs. Also, small urgent care facilities are now very abundant too.
 
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