Ryan's Medicare plan is NONPARTISAN

jdxprs said:

Do people even realize that the "RYAN MEDICARE PLAN" was actually co-written as a bipartisan bill? Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon co-wrote the medicare plan with Paul Ryan.

Both Wyden and Ryan received complaints from their own parties for compromising and writing this bill together, but they did it anyway. The person that runs medicare thinks it is a good idea, and the congressional budget office says it would drastically reduce medicare spending without lowering benefits for anyone.

Why, other than to win an election, are democrats demonizing this great idea that is bipartisan and everyone agrees would work???

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I don't think that you realize that there is a HUGE difference between "nonpartisan" and "bipartisan."

GPS_Flex said:

Snake oil!!!
You can try to sell it around here if you like, and there are plenty who will buy it, but the people of the United States of America are smarter than carpetbaggers like you who seek to prey on the weak as a buzzard or parasite does, while destroying the wealth of this nation only to kill the host in the end. What will you do when you have destroyed the wealth in this nation? Eat your young?

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Umm ... really?

GPS_Flex said:

It is nothing like Obamacare in scope. You can’t add millions of people and cut costs like the Obama administration lies would lead us to believe but you can reform Medicare the way Ryan proposes and cut the cost to government while inspiring competition and thereby improving the cost and quality of healthcare.

It is nothing like Obamacare.

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True, it would be more like Obamacare if Obamacare had the public option.

jdxprs said:

ok, i'll go find the links, but did you try to research it yourself? why question my honesty?

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It's not my place to do your homework or back your claims or arguements. So it's pretty obvious why your honesty is in question....

jdxprs said:

that's not always true velvet. to be honest, i've debated with a few very liberal people here that have been honest.

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I see you finally provided a link to the CBO....

i BELIEVE This is the page with the cbo report. CBO | Long-Term Analysis of a Budget Proposal by Chairman Ryan

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I'm not really interested in what you BELIEVE, I only care what you can back up with credible evidence and facts. There is nothing in that link that supports your claim due to the enormous "uncertainty" and complete lack of details on spending cuts that the Ryan plan failed to provide. But if you can find it in the CBO report, then I suggest you do it for the sake of your own honesty.

'...The person that runs medicare thinks it is a good idea, and the congressional budget office says it would drastically reduce medicare spending without lowering benefits for anyone.

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Again, for the sake of your honesty, I'm still waiting for you to provide the name of the "person that runs medicare" and "thinks it is a good idea".

AdamT said:

I think it's certainly 1000% better than Ryan's original plan. I think it's a decent enough plan if we can't have a real single payer system, though I can't imagine why it would appeal to conservatives. Essentially what it does is implement an insurance exchange for Medicare -- just like the Obamacare insurance exchanges. The theory is that this will reduce costs because Medicare recipients will comparison shop and pick the more efficient plans. It won't work for a variety of reasons

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On the contrary, it has already been demonstrated to work.

What happens then is that an appointed board of experts will make the necessary cuts to control Medicare costs. This, in effect, is the Obamacare IPAB, or what Republicans like to call "death panels". In other words, Ryan's Medicare reform is essentially Obamacare for Medicare.

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Can you demonstrate that in the law?

What we should be doing instead is implementing Medicare for all which would eliminate the real problem with Medicare: doctors can opt out.

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:shakes fist: Damn you, individual liberty!!!!

Seriously, if you put all doctors and all patients on the Medicare reimbursement schedule, then all that happens is that large numbers of doctors can no longer afford to practice, and you radically reduce medical resource availability. Then we get the waiting times, and lines, and denial of access that we see in single-payer countries.

Moot said:

Again, for the sake of your honesty, I'm still waiting for you to provide the name of the "person that runs medicare" and "thinks it is a good idea".

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AdamT said:

The theory is that this will reduce costs because Medicare recipients will comparison shop and pick the more efficient plans. It won't work for a variety of reasons

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glad to help.