Russian IL-20 shot down by Syria as Israel used it as cover for attack

Westphalian said:

It's a special interpretation of international law, the same one used to justify invading Iraq, patented by the charlatans and spin doctors of western propaganda.

On that basis I would suggest that Moscow raze to the ground two Israeli air bases since their F-16s now represent a threat to Russian aviation operating perfectly legally in Syria. Imminent threat ........ Clearly ticked.

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You don't appear to understand the way things should be.................. only Jews have the right to self defence. Only Jews decide what rules should apply and to whom. Only Jewish lives matter. Only Jewish borders/territory should not be violated. Only none Jews are aggressors. Only Jews deserve security

If you find any of this contentious you are evidently a Jew hater and if you are a Jewish person that finds this contentious you , obviously , hate yourself and wish to ingratiate yourself with none Jews

Thems the rules here according to some :roll:

Fledermaus said:

Taint "exclusive" if anyone can do it.

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Your assertion went down the pan pages back and your inability to accept this is pretty odd imo.

oneworld2 said:

Your assertion went down the pan pages back and your inability to accept this is pretty odd imo.

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No, I got it.

"Exclusive" - Many have done it. Everyone can do it...

oneworld2 said:

Nope, I am basing my whole argument on the fact that if you allow such absurd interpretations of international laws to go unchallenged you may as well do away with them altogether ( something that you would probably welcome imo ) and on the fact that you only think they should be applied for the benefit of Jewish people and to hell with any provisions for anyone else ( hence your complete avoidance on answering whether or not the Palestinian attack against IDF personnel is likewise justifiable under the umbrella of " preventive action ", or Hezbollah attacks that could be interpreted as preventive actions to defend Southern Lebanon )

Article 51 UN Charter refers to self defence in the face of " armed attack " and doesn't include the term " imminent threat " which appears to be your own addition in a bid to make yourself appear right when in fact you are wrong.

Chapter VII: Article 51 ? Charter of the United Nations ? Repertory of Practice of United Nations Organs ? Codification Division Publications

Where does it mention anything about " imminent threat " ?

Has Syria not the right to self defence in the face of Israeli aggression ? Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon ? Gazans in Gaza etc etc ?.....according to you they don't so not only are you inventing phrases and attributing them to the UN Charter you are also demanding that self defence in the form of preventive action is only available to Jews and any who challenge the absurdity of this position should be dismissed as Jew haters or supporters of terrorists/terrorism.........Orwell to a tee

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NEDJ....

Yep, NEDJ.

german hick said:

Comfortable situation for a country if it can reject any human rights to "terrorists", do with them what it wants and decides itself who is terrorist. And as cherry on the cake, if anyone dares to think something else he is anti semite.

*waiting for the next ban, me evil german nazi*

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Do you think some people in the region who have been on the receiving of Israeli aggression might deem members of the IDF as the terrorist forces of the Jewish state ?

Fledermaus said:

No, I got it.

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sure you have

"Exclusive" - Many have done it. Everyone can do it...

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But you just can't provide a list of the "lots of nations " that have , probably because it doesn't exist

Fledermaus said:

NEDJ....

Yep, NEDJ.

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Nah , more a case of tmnjd but you obviously choose to support Jewish supremacism

Apocalypse said:

For all. Your refusal to recognize that those who target Jews for murder can be considered terrorists is irrelevant to this thread.

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Wrong again but enlightening

Not all attacks on Jews are or can be classified as terrorism and as such not all of those that have or will engage in them can be classed as terrorists. Your inference that " those who target Jews for murder can be considered terrorists " is thus just nonsense.

Also your continued denial/silence regarding whether others have a right to self defence against Israeli state terrorism , in the context of the above wrt Syrians/Lebanese/Palestinians , renders your own position irrelevant on the grounds of the blatant racism that is required to underpin it

oneworld2 said:

Nope, I am basing my whole argument on the fact that if you allow such absurd interpretations of international laws to go unchallenged you may as well do away with them altogether ( something that you would probably welcome imo ) and on the fact that you only think they should be applied for the benefit of Jewish people and to hell with any provisions for anyone else ( hence your complete avoidance on answering whether or not the Palestinian attack against IDF personnel is likewise justifiable under the umbrella of " preventive action ", or Hezbollah attacks that could be interpreted as preventive actions to defend Southern Lebanon )

Article 51 UN Charter refers to self defence in the face of " armed attack " and doesn't include the term " imminent threat " which appears to be your own addition in a bid to make yourself appear right when in fact you are wrong.

Chapter VII: Article 51 ? Charter of the United Nations ? Repertory of Practice of United Nations Organs ? Codification Division Publications

Where does it mention anything about " imminent threat " ?

Has Syria not the right to self defence in the face of Israeli aggression ? Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon ? Gazans in Gaza etc etc ?.....according to you they don't so not only are you inventing phrases and attributing them to the UN Charter you are also demanding that self defence in the form of preventive action is only available to Jews and any who challenge the absurdity of this position should be dismissed as Jew haters or supporters of terrorists/terrorism.........Orwell to a tee

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Syria isn't in need of defending itself. It is attacked due to terrorists behind hosted by it in its territory allowing terror acitvity to take place there. Hezbollah is an Isalmic terror group targeting Jews (and also non-Jews) for murder in Israel and outside of it, it's not capable of arguing for self-defense and is not even a nation to begin with but again a group of terrorists who engage in murder and their killing is a duty for every human being really. Gazans in Gaza like Syria's case aren't in need of defending themselves from Israeli attacks that target terrorists and only exist because of threats coming from other Gazans in Gaza.

Imminent threat is a term you pulled several posts ago due to the need for manipulations. As to the UN charter, from wiki;

International law recognizes a right of self-defence, as the International Court of Justice (ICJ) affirmed in the Nicaragua Case on the use of force. Some commentators believe that the effect of Article 51 is only to preserve this right when an armed attack occurs, and that other acts of self-defence are banned by article 2(4). The more widely held opinion is that article 51 acknowledges this general right, and proceeds to lay down procedures for the specific situation when an armed attack does occur. Under the latter interpretation, the legitimate use of self-defence in situations when an armed attack has not actually occurred is still permitted. It is also to be noted that not every act of violence will constitute an armed attack. The ICJ has tried to clarify, in the Nicaragua case, what level of force is necessary to qualify as an armed attack.

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Clearly you fail here to provide a logical basis to your "not enough dead Jews" argument claiming that Jews only get to defend themselves when they are attacked and killed.
You're not going to base such NEDJ argument, as you never could - as it's far from being an acceptable notion to those who aren't placing Jews to special standards.
People realize that the French bombing ISIS who have been engaging in terror attacks against French citizens on French soil is in accordance with international law and their right to self-defense, those who don't treat Jews like they need to face destruction wouldn't see such case any different and would actually see that there is more logical basis behind claiming self-defense in attacks on a terror group in a bordering nation that has gone to an all out war with the country doing its duty and targeting it.
Your made up claims about "international law violations" and "absurd interpretations of international law" so to not allow Jews to defend themsleves before they are killed are nonsensical and that will always be made clear to you.

oneworld2 said:

Wrong again but enlightening

Not all attacks on Jews are or can be classified as terrorism and as such not all of those that have or will engage in them can be classed as terrorists. Your inference that " those who target Jews for murder can be considered terrorists " is thus just nonsense.

Also your continued denial/silence regarding whether others have a right to self defence against Israeli state terrorism , in the context of the above wrt Syrians/Lebanese/Palestinians , renders your own position irrelevant on the grounds of the blatant racism that is required to underpin it

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Huh? What was written: "That those who target Jews for murder can be considered terrorists is irrelevant to this thread."
What you answered: "Not all those who murder Jews are terrorists".

Not really sure what you're going at here but then again that's the same for your previous posts as well.
What you consider "Israeli state terrorism" are acts of self-defense that you label as such due to the fact they consist of Jews not just allowing themselves to be murdered so to reply to it would be meaningless as I don't share your notion that attacks on Gazan terrorists is terrorism itself. Throwing around empty accusations of racism based on nothing so to hide your own based & proven racist beliefs on Jews isn't working for you either.

oneworld2 said:

Nah , more a case of tmnjd but you obviously choose to support Jewish supremacism

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Throwing around accusations of racism based on nothing wouldn't work here.
Your "not enough dead Jews" arguments are indeed racist, those who oppose them are indeed anti-racist.
Your belief that claiming Jews are equal is "Jewish supremacism" as you throw at Fledermaus here only serves to show how you consider Jews to be inferior - and you are mistaken at that.

oneworld2 said:

Nah , more a case of tmnjd but you obviously choose to support Jewish supremacism

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Do Jews have a right to exist?

oneworld2 said:

sure you have

But you just can't provide a list of the "lots of nations " that have , probably because it doesn't exist

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"Exclusive" - Many have done it. Everyone can do it...

oneworld2 said:

Do you think some people in the region who have been on the receiving of Israeli aggression might deem members of the IDF as the terrorist forces of the Jewish state ?

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they might - but don´t get me wrong, I´m no fan of terrorists - but I don´t like double standards either...

Westphalian said:

Well, my Apocalypse friend, international law says Stria can defend itself from Israeli air strikes.

So in not so many months one or both of two things will happen:

1. Russia will declare and extend its air exclusion zone to defend its assets in and around Latakia.

2. Syria will be supplied and trained in S-300 or possibly S-400 units.


Either of these are going to reduce Israel's freedom to continue its over 200 air strikes, and place in jeopardy its precious F16s and pilots.

And then no doubt you'll excel yourself in absurdity by telling us that Syria is not allowed to take such defensive measures when it contradicts the offensive measures taken by Israel for so called defensive purposes.

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Except the russians get that it was syria that did this, not israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/syria...s-after-israeli-strike-hitting-russian-plane/

Wouldn’t think this would get syria any better aa missiles, but I’m not an anti-Israel fanatic so what do i know




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Fledermaus said:

Do Jews have a right to exist?

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this one is easy to reply with a question:

Do Arabs who formaly lived in the place where now Israel is have any right to exist?

CJ 2.0 said:

Except the russians get that it was syria that did this, not israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/syria...s-after-israeli-strike-hitting-russian-plane/

Wouldn’t think this would get syria any better aa missiles, but I’m not an anti-Israel fanatic so what do i know




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Thats not what he Russians are saying- they said it was an Isreali set up. And theyre right.

german hick said:

this one is easy to reply with a question:

Do Arabs who formaly lived in the place where now Israel is have any right to exist?

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Sure. They have a right to exist. Unfortunately they chose poorly in 1948.

Fledermaus said:

Sure. They have a right to exist. Unfortunately they chose poorly in 1948.

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and so their descendants deserve it to live in the desert with no future?

might it be the young state of Israel provoced that a little bit because they did not want the Arabs beeing the majority in their new liberal democratic state?

PoS said:

Thats not what he Russians are saying- they said it was an Isreali set up. And theyre right.

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Yes, you "know", I'm sure.

PoS said:

Thats not what he Russians are saying- they said it was an Isreali set up. And theyre right.

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Obviously you would know. Hysterical.

CJ 2.0 said:

Yes, you "know", I'm sure.

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Apocalypse said:

Obviously you would know. Hysterical.

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lmao...you know, you guys should take up synchronized swimming together. :lamo

Do they hand out reference manuals at propaganda college, or do you have to memorize the responses?

OlNate said:

lmao...you know, you guys should take up synchronized swimming together. :lamo

Do they hand out reference manuals at propaganda college, or do you have to memorize the responses?

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lol. You tell us.

CJ 2.0 said:

lol. You tell us.

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Hard to say...I mean, given the reliability of your messaging, clearly there is a template. I'm guessing that you have to commit it to memory...did I win? :lol: