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Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

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Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The president's lawyer went to Ukraine to discredit impeachment with a parallel narrative, but corruption fighters know his “witnesses” have little or no credibility.


Trump Consigliere Rudolfo "Rudy Colludy" Giuliani.


Even across the world in Kyiv, Trump and his Consigliere only hire the "best people". :lamo
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Ukraine was the playground of the rich and famous wannabes. The Bidens were by no means the only ones sucking Ukraine dry. There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.

I trust that you will provide citations for your claims.
 
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Rudy is soliciting the help of a guy whose father was a former KGB agent and who himself belonged to a pro-Russia organization. Rudy is trying to get pro-Russian sympathizers to make up some BS story about Hunter Biden and also to blame the 2016 hacking on Ukraine, not Russia.

I wonder how many minds on the right could see through this crap or embrace it with gusto since it would help Trump?
 
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I trust that you will provide citations for your claims.

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.
 
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Rudy (and many R's in Congress) have gone "full Russia".
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

This is at least the second time I've caught you smearing people without providing citations when asked.

Folks here at DP should be aware of your SOP.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

This is at least the second time I've caught you smearing people without providing citations when asked.

Folks here at DP should be aware of your SOP.

Citations lol. Nancy Pelosi's kids and Mitt Romney's kids were invested in Ukraine just like Joe Biden's kid Hunter. It was a total shame what they did to Ukraine.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

Like that a rich Ukrainian owns crowdstrike and has the DNC server hidden at their offices there?

That kind of "known fact"?

You know, the "look back" that mulvaney referred to when he said that the aid was withheld over and that we shoud "get over".

A red flag goes up when any conservative uses the word "fact".

Which are only facts in conservative reality.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Rudy (and many R's in Congress) have gone "full Russia".

Devin Nunes for sure. He's been a part of this cabal since before the election but became even more entangled in this plot during the transition. He was on the Trump transition team and should have never been able to be Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Sure, he had to recuse himself because he was caught red-handed running to the White House to try to dig up dirt on Susan Rice and give Trump all the info the committee had gathered about the campaigns cooperation with Russia, but he should never have been on that committee at all for those particular proceedings.

This secret pro-Russian faction of the republicans had a lot of help with Fox. Fox enjoyed the rewards of their support with prominent positions in Trump's administration being filled from Fox employees. There had been many valid and credentialed political opinion experts that were paid contributors to Fox that ran out the door once they understood what was happening between Fox and Trump's Congress. People like Wilbur Ross, Lt. Col Ralph Peters, Shepard Smith, and Carl Cameron who had been chief political correspondent for Fox for more than 20 years, they all left on principle.

Carl Cameron said: “The idea of fair and balanced news appealed to me,”“But over the years right-wing hosts drowned out straight journalism with partisan misinformation.”

Anyone with a shred of integrity, anyone with a career they valued, anyone who stood on principles, left Fox. What Fox is left with are the dregs of television broadcast like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Ukraine was the playground of the rich and famous wannabes. The Bidens were by no means the only ones sucking Ukraine dry. There were Clintons and Romneys and Pelosis also getting rich off Ukraine as it went down the drain.

And Americans in politics is often the playground of rich and famous wannabes. And yet there are people who do it ethically and legally, and those who don't.
You have no point.

In this case, Trump's "personal attorney", Rudy appears to be doing it unethically, and the people he is directly involved with and getting phony information from are all largely criminals or indicted on federal charges. And now he's under criminal investigation himself.
Trump's previous "personal attorney" is now in federal prison.
Trump's previous pro-Russian/Russian funded campaign manager, was picked out of the blue...and he's now also in federal prison.

No, it's a corrupt administration Trump runs, and as POTUS, its a real tragedy Republicans keep defending him with nonsense.
 
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The entire Ukraine thing was total US imperialism at its worst. And first up were the Clintons and the Bidens. They benefited most but there was at least one Pelosi and one Romney family member in there too.
 

It's all gravy. The best part will be when the FBI arrests Rudy and he rolls on Trump for a lighter sentence. Should be a great popcorn moment.
 
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Rudy is serving as Trump's alternate persona intended to draw the lightning bolts away from his real job as president of keeping America great. Seems to be working so far what you think?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Citations lol. Nancy Pelosi's kids and Mitt Romney's kids were invested in Ukraine just like Joe Biden's kid Hunter. It was a total shame what they did to Ukraine.

But you still won't provide citations. Should be easy for a pro like yourself.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

The corrupt and removed Ukraine prosecutors investigated many Westerners living in Ukraine. They saw dollar signs in such individuals.

But such investigations have to be taken in the context that the investigators were corrupt and looking for a bribe/payoff.
 
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Devin Nunes for sure. He's been a part of this cabal since before the election but became even more entangled in this plot during the transition.

Devin Nunes, John Neely Kennedy, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul certainly. There are other R's spewing Russian disinfo also.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine ‘Investigation’ Stars Some of Kyiv’s Most Dubious Characters

Devin Nunes, John Neely Kennedy, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul certainly. There are other R's spewing Russian disinfo also.

All of those whom you named - and those here who enable and agree with them - are either Russian agents or Russian assets or just plain old fashioned useful idiots. Americans like them are really traitors who are doing Russias bidding. These toadies are a disgrace to our proud nation.
 
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Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.



 
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Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

Unless you can point us to a law which stipulates that foreign employment is a crime, you haven't demonstrated anything illegal or nefarious.

All you're interested in is some sort of smear by association. Ukraine = automatic corruption.

Ukraine is the largest nation completely within Europe with a population of 45 million people, and yet you expect us to believe everyone in Ukraine is corrupt and toxic.

That's nothing but a smear job without any particulars offered at all. Jesus, you're on a par with Giuliani.
 
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Citations abound don't know why it's even necessary. Never forget Romney had a kid in on the scheme too.

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And the above covers 1999-2014. 15 years. That works out to ~$500,000 per year. That is one oligarch in Ukraine.

And if such donations were criminal and violated US election law, why hasn't the Clinton Foundation been prosecuted and shut down like the Trump Foundation?
 
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The entire Ukraine thing was total US imperialism at its worst. And first up were the Clintons and the Bidens. They benefited most but there was at least one Pelosi and one Romney family member in there too.

Still doesn't change the fact that your president is into stupid conspiracy theories.

And you defend his stupidity.
 
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Still doesn't change the fact that your president is into stupid conspiracy theories.

And you defend his stupidity.

Trump doesn't give a crap about getting rich off Ukraine then or now. The Bidens on the other hand....
 
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Known facts. I don't have time to spend google is your friend.

If YOU make a claim, you have to back it up, that is how it works.

Show of hands here? Raise a LIKE if you agree that the person making a claim is the one who has to back it up?
 
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