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What are the "world's" options?
If this goes past the 1999/2003 occurances to actual revolt then the "protestors" will be slaughtered and the "world" will do nothing.
There's better coverage of the riots on youtube than cable. :shock:
YouTube - Riot police caught by crowd - Protests in Tehran after election
Did I see that right? They knocked that police guy off his bike and stuff, and then escorted him to a spot where they could treat his wounds?
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Support them how?
BY backing their efforts verbally and clearly as France and much of the EU has. Or like Represetatrive Pence has (http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ntroduces-resolution-iran.html#post1058086567)
..not like the Obama USA has.
Triad said:If it goes past this by supporting them with weaponry intelligence etc.
Triad said:IOW supporting them as in supporting them for real in the real world instead of waxing poetic about idealistic BS on Twitter. Or worrying more about a photo op BSathon.
That you guys even have to ask tells me your just looking for a way to say "Sitting on our asses is mighty fine" in nifty ways.
Here's another:
Supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi try to calm down fellow demonstrators as they rescue a bloodied riot policeman (center) who was beaten during a protest in Valiasr Street in Tehran on June 13, 2009. (BEHROUZ MEHRI/AFP/Getty Images)
A backer of Mir Hossein Mousavi helps evacuate an injured riot-police officer during riots in Tehran on June 13, 2009. (OLIVIER LABAN-MATTEI/AFP/Getty Images)
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BY backing their efforts verbally and clearly as France and much of the EU has. Or like Represetatrive Pence has (http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ntroduces-resolution-iran.html#post1058086567)
4:36 PM ET -- Then they came for the human rights lawyers. Via reader Colin.
Security officials posing as clients entered the Tehran offices of one of Iran's leading human rights lawyers today and arrested him, Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi just told NPR's Davar Iran Ardalan.
That lawyer, Abdolfattah Soltani, spoke with Davar just yesterday -- telling her that the Iranian government should recount all the votes in last Friday's disputed presidential election, in which President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner by a 2-1 margin.
"Once they were inside they immediately confiscated his computer and other documents and they arrested Mr. Soltani," Ebadi said in today's interview. "As far as we know, they did not have an arrest warrant."
Ebadi later called to tell NPR that several other human rights activists had been rounded up as well.
Update: Via reader Golnaz, Ebadi also called for a new election in an interview with Radio Free Europe:
I believe that a recount of the votes under the current conditions won't solve anything. A new election must be held and this time it should be under the monitoring of International organizations so that all participants would be contented that the votes that come out of the ballot boxes are the real votes of the people.
6:03 PM ET -- "What I have witnessed." A powerful note from a female medical student in Iran, translated from Farsi by a trusty reader.
Hello,
It's painful to watch what's happening.
I don't want anything to do with what has been said this far, as I neither have the strength nor the resilience to face all these unfathomable events.
I only want to speak about what I have witnessed. I am a medical student. There was chaos last night at the trauma section in one of our main hospitals. Although by decree, all riot-related injuries were supposed to be sent to military hospitals, all other hospitals were filled to the rim. Last night, nine people died at our hospital and another 28 had gunshot wounds. All hospital employees were crying till dawn. They (government) removed the dead bodies on back of trucks, before we were even able to get their names or other information. What can you even say to the people who don't even respect the dead. No one was allowed to speak to the wounded or get any information from them. This morning the faculty and the students protested by gathering at the lobby of the hospital where they were confronted by plain cloths anti-riot militia, who in turn closed off the hospital and imprisoned the staff. The extent of injuries are so grave, that despite being one of the most staffed emergency rooms, they've asked everyone to stay and help--I'm sure it will even be worst tonight.
What can anyone say in face of all these atrocities? What can you say to the family of the 13 year old boy who died from gunshots and whose dead body then disappeared?
This issue is not about cheating(election) anymore. This is not about stealing votes anymore. The issue is about a vast injustice inflected on the people. They've put a baton in the hand of every 13-14 year old to smash the faces of "the bunches who are less than dirt" (government is calling the people who are uprising dried-up torn and weeds) .
This is what sickens me from dealing with these issues. And from those who shut their eyes and close their ears and claim the riots are in opposition of the government and presidency!! No! The people's complaint is against the egregious injustices committed against the people.
That we don't know for sure. When I was in Iran in 1987, I met more secular people than religious. I can't really tell because I never lived there, but that's the impression I got and that's what my Iranian friends tell me.
See, that sort of stuff is touching, not being sarcastic.
They can knock the guy down, and some of them (unfortunately not the ones who caused the bleeding wounds) can find it in their hearts to take their "enemy" and give them aid and treatment. Very humane.
Could we please keep the actions of the American government out of this thread? There are a few threads open for that already, and I don't want to see this thread cluttered with it.
Cyberwar guide for Iran elections
Posted by Cory Doctorow, June 16, 2009 3:25 AM | permalink
Yishay sez, "The road to hell is paved with the best intentions (including mine). Learn how to actually help the protesters and not the gov't in Iran."
The purpose of this guide is to help you participate constructively in the Iranian election protests through Twitter.
1. Do NOT publicise proxy IP's over twitter, and especially not using the #iranelection hashtag. Security forces are monitoring this hashtag, and the moment they identify a proxy IP they will block it in Iran. If you are creating new proxies for the Iranian bloggers, DM them to @stopAhmadi or @iran09 and they will distributed them discretely to bloggers in Iran.
2. Hashtags, the only two legitimate hashtags being used by bloggers in Iran are #iranelection and #gr88, other hashtag ideas run the risk of diluting the conversation.
3. Keep you bull$hit filter up! Security forces are now setting up twitter accounts to spread disinformation by posing as Iranian protesters. Please don't retweet impetuosly, try to confirm information with reliable sources before retweeting. The legitimate sources are not hard to find and follow.
4. Help cover the bloggers: change your twitter settings so that your location is TEHRAN and your time zone is GMT +3.30. Security forces are hunting for bloggers using location and timezone searches. If we all become 'Iranians' it becomes much harder to find them.
5. Don't blow their cover! If you discover a genuine source, please don't publicise their name or location on a website. These bloggers are in REAL danger. Spread the word discretely through your own networks but don't signpost them to the security forces. People are dying there, for real, please keep that in mind..
It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
Liveleak.com instead of Youtube to upload videos...Youtube is deleting
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Dueling Demonstrations in Tehran
Borzou Daragahi reports from Tehran that supporters of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came out in the tens of thousands to chant "Death to America," "Death to Israel," and "Khamenei is our Leader." This rally, called for 4 pm, was meant to upstage one scheduled at 5 pm by supporters of Mir-Hosain Mousavi. The latter crowd instead staged a small, quiet march on Vali Asr Street in the north of the city.
Grand Ayatollah Hosain Montazeri, once thought likely to be Khomeini's successor, called for 3 days of mourning for the 12 demonstrators killed on Monday. Montazeri broke with the regime, rejecting an authoritarian interpretation of the 'guardianship of the jurisprudent' or mandatory clerical rule, and is under house arrest in Qom.
On the other hand, Ali Larijani, the speaker of the Iranian parliament who quit as Ahmadinejad's negotiator on nuclear issues because of the president's confrontational style, nevertheless rallied to his side on Tuesday.
I'd say that there are three factions: the hard liners, the pragmatic conservatives, and the reformists. Larijani is a hard liner, so what he said is not surprising. If the pragmatic conservatives continue to back Mousavi, however, that is a real challenge to the regime.
It is not prudent to call a regime illegitimate if it may survive and we may need to negotiate with it. If the protesters gain the upper hand, Obama can THEN take sides
American interference in Iranian politics is NOT desirable to anyone involved. The establishment would use it as a pretext to crack down on the protesters, the protesters would resent American involvement, and the United States would be more likely to have to negotiate with a hardline establishment. But that's exactly what you want.
Who is "them"? Last I checked, the protesters have neither a military nor an intelligence bureau. If there is a revolution, it almost certainly will not be in the form of a civil war. There is no reason to provide "intelligence" to an angry mob which probably knows more about the situation than our government does. That's just retarded.
The fact that you respond to simple questions with such hostility indicates that you know your views are idealistic and indefensible.
It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
The Iranians will let us know what they need. Right now they just need us to be vigilent and get the word out.
I keep seeing this, does anyone else know if it's true?
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