Military invasion and the installation of a puppet regime perhaps ?
Perhaps - but the post I was replying to said getting rid of Saddam was not a reason for the war as he remembered, thus I was refreshing his/her memory.
I cannot believe that anyone on earth believes that Bush gave a rat's arse about the Iraqi people and their freedom. I'm sorry, I can only laugh, or bang my head against my keyboard, no I guess I'll just laugh, not worth hurting my beautiful head over such bovine manure.
Mira, it was the whole point in doing it. We would not have bothered otherwise. It was the core strategy.
What does Democracy mean to any dignified human being ?
Do you honestly, honestly, I mean looking yourself in the mirror kind of honestly, think that Bush's aim was to bring democracy to Iraq ??
And is that what you think Arabs are all about ? Dictators/Slaves and Muslim fundementalists ?
They don't gasp freedom as YOU do ? are you saying they are some kind of an inferior species ?
How many muslim males do you know, face to face? I bet fewer than 1.
Democracy has no fixed definition. That's why I asked you about how the Egyptians, and Arabs, conceived of democracy.
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea considers itself a democracy. The European Union considers itself an aggregation of democracies, but many people consider the EU to be a bureaucratic dystopia.
I'm looking for reasoned analysis. That's really important. One learns from new perspectives.
There is no democratic tradition in the Arab world. There is no intelligentsia or other elite in the Arab world that has a coherent view of democracy to the best of my knowledge. I thought you could give me insight.
Conservatives in America believe that democracy to Arabs means one election one time. In other words we believe the absence of any experience or incubation of democracy in the Arab world, combined with the current level of education among average Arabs, means that Arab voters will place their trust in religious figures who they hope have a higher morality. But once religious figures coopt a popular revolution there will be election fraud of the type we see in Iran, or power plays by groups like Hezbollah like we see in Lebanon.
That's funny...
Are you suggesting you invaded Iraq because it had a dictator...
I don't remember that as one of the reasons...
I think we can expect conservative skeptics on Fox News to change some of their tune now. Because of the treatment of journalists in Egypt by the mob, we can be assured that journalists of any ideological stripe will stick to their tribe and demand that justice be delivered to their sacred job.
I don't agree with Ricksfolly's spin on the story, but American corporations would not have been allowed to sell dangerous chemicals (aka teargas) outside the U.S. without tacit government permission.
Haha.
ten characters
There's only two things a journalist holds sacred: their favorite political figure/thinker and other journalists.
Ayatollah Khomeini was definitely a conservative so I guess you are right, conservatives do revolt. I stand corrected. However, in the case of our history, the Sons of Liberty were definitely classic liberals/progressives and the loyalist were traditionalist/conservatives.
there really is no threat that of an islamist regime. the muslim brotherhood is a small part of the government. and anyway, SO WHAT if the egyptian people decide they want an islamist govt? it's not our damned business.
No, but there is a significant change in tone on Fox News, and a more charged feeling in any of the networks with their employees or colleagues being attacked by the pro-government mob. The level of skepticism has really been toned down in comparison with the beginning of this story.
The fact is, the Middle East - the cradle of civilization - still grapples with the most basic human rights that western civilization takes virtually for granted. You kind of have to deal with the lesser of two evils. This part of the world doesn't seem to grasp "democracy" or "freedom" as we do, which is why they gravitate to what they've known, dicatorships and fundamental Islamic rule.
Then, stop insisting that Mubarack step down.
Messy, messy, messy.
If somehow Mubarak were to maintain power, we'd definitely have another Saddam on our hands. You know he feels betrayed, no matter how much Bush and Obama have been pleading with him to make changes.
He's got to go. If the Egyptian people can't get that done, do we intervene here, too?
Messy, messy, messy.
Actually al-Qaeda hates the Muslim Brotherhood. Apparently the MB is too warm and fuzzy for Osama Bin Laden's tastes. With that said, we can and should open dialog with them. If Egypt transitions to democracy, it isn't clear whether the MB can win a majority outright...but they almost certainly will play SOME significant role in a democratic Egypt.
We need to have a workable relationship with Egypt, regardless of who is in charge. That means we need to come to terms with reality. The MB might not be who we would elect, but we're going to have to work with them. Isolating them only gives them a reason to hate America and radicalize their population, which certainly does not benefit American interests.
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