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Researcher Gets Death Threats After Revealing Shocking Findings About College Athlete

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Is this wealth redistribution?

Should we tax the hell out of the schools?

Not as long as they are non profits.

I really don't believe in "taxing the hell" out of anyone, nor do I really see a need for corporate or business income taxes since in some form or fashion, either directly or indirectly, all corporate income ultimately passes to the owners, who then pay income tax. So I find it odd that you would suggest that, although I do believe that some wealth distribution is necessary to prevent the ultimate conclusion which would happen to capitalism if all income and wealth accumulated in the hands of the few. "Taxing the hell" out of people or companies (as in more than what we already tax the top 1%) is not my preferred method for redistribution. I actually believe that we should eleminate all income taxes on income that is less than $400k or so, even for the rich.

So why do you ask?
 
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Not as long as they are non profits.
:-)

Most of the states have, as their highest paid public employee job "coach". I do not follow sports, but understand one college coach in Alabama can draw as much as five million dollars a year in salary. Is a university really a non-profit?

I really don't believe in "taxing the hell" out of anyone, nor do I really see a need for corporate or business income taxes since in some form or fashion, either directly or indirectly, all corporate income ultimately passes to the owners, who then pay income tax.
You are a wise man.

So I find it odd that you would suggest that, although I do believe that some wealth distribution is necessary to prevent the ultimate conclusion which would happen to capitalism if all income and wealth accumulated in the hands of the few.
How would all income and wealth ever accumulate into the hands of the few, unless by "few" you mean those of us, roughly half, who pay the federal income tax?

Wouldn't it be far better for everyone to get the government out of our lives and watch the businesses thrive? Everyone could have a job and no one would have to have almost half of what they ear seized from them to fund massive government.

"Taxing the hell" out of people or companies (as in more than what we already tax the top 1%) is not my preferred method for redistribution. I actually believe that we should eliminate all income taxes on income that is less than $400k or so, even for the rich.

So why do you ask?
I would go the other way. I would tax, at a flat rate all income up to a half million. Anything earned above that should be tax free. By that point the rich have already done way more than their fair share.
 
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:-)

Most of the states have, as their highest paid public employee job "coach". I do not follow sports, but understand one college coach in Alabama can draw as much as five million dollars a year in salary. Is a university really a non-profit

As long as those "profits" go towards either the athletic program or to academics, I would consider it a non-profit. I'm kind of shocked to see you complaining about multimillion dollar salaries though. So if this guy can create a winning team which brings in millions of dollars above the operating cost of the program (including his salary), then why shouldn't he be paid millions? And if having a winning program is what brings in the revenue, then why would any college not be willing to pay out the big bucks to hire someone who can create a winning program.

These high paid coaches typically have decades of experience and proven ability, who eat, drink and breath their profession.

You are a wise man.

Why thank you, you must also be wise because you are the first person on this forum to ever recognize that fact!

How would all income and wealth ever accumulate into the hands of the few, unless by "few" you mean those of us, roughly half, who pay the federal income tax?

Because in our capitalistic economy, income tends to pool, when there is not enough natural redistribution forces to keep it from doing so. With every dollar of wealth/income acquired, the next dollar becomes easier to acquire, mostly due to being able to afford a higher risk level, and due to an improved negotiating position.

Part of the reason that we origionally established the income tax almost 100 years ago (aside from needing revenue for the WW1 war effort), was due to the fact that income was pooling so fast that many in the wealthy/elite class has so much power, and occasionally abused this power, that we dubbed them "robber barons". but I'm confident you were already aware of that. the origional income tax was only intended to be levied on the uber rich. I have know idea how it ever came to be that today we feel that everyone should have to pay a tax because taxing income from a job, regardless of the purpose, creates an effective penality for whatever it is that we are taxing. I can't imagine why today we think that we need to penalize ordinary working class people for being productive. It's a rediculus thought.

The most "natural" way that wealth is prevented from pooling long term is by death. However, in this country we seem to have a strong dislike of the concept of the "death tax", so by accepting that financial wealth inheritance is normal, we have pretty much eliminated the strongest form of natural redistribution.

Since most taxes tend to be income regressive, the income tax needs to be highly income progressive, to balance taxation between all income classes.

Wouldn't it be far better for everyone to get the government out of our lives and watch the businesses thrive? Everyone could have a job and no one would have to have almost half of what they ear seized from them to fund massive government.

For the most part, aside from environmental regulations and some fairly modist worker protections, the federal government does stay out of the way of most businesses. State and local governments are much more intrusive. Anyhow, we have done fairly well with our particular amount of regulation, far better than most countries in the world that has less regulation. Better regulations, ya, I am all for that, but no regulations, nope, I like my water to be potable, and my air to be breathable.

I would go the other way. I would tax, at a flat rate all income up to a half million. Anything earned above that should be tax free. By that point the rich have already done way more than their fair share.

Well, if you want to decrease demand, increase income disparity, decrease the standard of living on 99% of our population, accelerate income disparity, decrease the rewards of working, and put a stop to small business growth, your suggestion is certainly the great way to do all of that!

Now all that said, the only significant deviations that I have with conservatism is that I recognize that our income disparity is growing, and that this disparity leads to a pooling of wealth that eventually may cause the downfall of capitalism, virtually every time that I disagree with any conservative, it's based on some variation of this theme. Otherwise, I am pretty much in lock step with conservatives (maybe excluding some social issues - but they seem to be coming around to my point of view on those issues). I do not support means tested welfare of any kind, I am not a global warming freak, or any of that other silly stuff that liberals tend to get really weird about.
 
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As long as those "profits" go towards either the athletic program or to academics, I would consider it a non-profit. I'm kind of shocked to see you complaining about multimillion dollar salaries though. So if this guy can create a winning team which brings in millions of dollars above the operating cost of the program (including his salary), then why shouldn't he be paid millions? And if having a winning program is what brings in the revenue, then why would any college not be willing to pay out the big bucks to hire someone who can create a winning program.
I don't object. I do believe that universities should become private, for profit entities.

These high paid coaches typically have decades of experience and proven ability, who eat, drink and breath their profession.
I do not deny it. As stupid as it seems to me....
"you are a wise man"

Why thank you, you must also be wise because you are the first person on this forum to ever recognize that fact!
You are welcome.
 
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I think what bothers me most is that these kids are allowed to enter school and pass academic classes that others are denied because they can't perform a sport.

We have kids who are hoping to get a history degree being rejected from college because their math (calculus) was not high enough, then they take and pass some guy who can't add 2 single digit numbers two times in a row and get the same answer twice and pass them without qualm.

This perversion of the system is what disturbs me most to be honest. The dishonest lowering of standards for "special" individuals.
 
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I think what bothers me most is that these kids are allowed to enter school and pass academic classes that others are denied because they can't perform a sport.

We have kids who are hoping to get a history degree being rejected from college because their math (calculus) was not high enough, then they take and pass some guy who can't add 2 single digit numbers two times in a row and get the same answer twice and pass them without qualm.

This perversion of the system is what disturbs me most to be honest. The dishonest lowering of standards for "special" individuals.

Some schools will accept almost any student who has a "special" skill or talent that has market value, regardless of grades or other academic performance.

Like at conservatories, grades and test scores don't matter at all, all that matters is that students skill in whatever art he performs.

My son was accepted at a private university based on a specific (non-athletic) skill, despite the fact that his SAT score was 300 points below their average score, and was offered a large scholarship based on that skill. At a state university, he recieved a "heads up" email from a department chairperson, telling him that his admissions issue had been taken care of - we didn't even know he had an admissions issue, but apparently he was either going to be rejected or waitlisted.

I figure that if someone has some sort of special tallent that could potentially result in a career, and if that talent is something that can be further developed by college, then why not accept the student based upon that tallent?

I'm not so sure that an interest in history would qualify as a tallent though.

One thing about tallent or skill based admissions, unlike normal academic programs, these students are already exceptional at what they do, and have proven it so.

Few people applying for acceptance to a college engineering program or history major would ever already be considered to be engineers or historians. But students applying for admission to college based up skills and tallents are typically already "athletes", "musicians", "artists" or "actors" or "dancers" or whatever. These are people who have to audition or who have already been scouted for their admission qualifications.
 
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It's not just in college though, it's in high school. How often are athletes allowed to shirk their education and just scrape by, simply because they want to play sports? It's unfair that other high school students are not allowed to streamline their own education according to what they are actually interested in, but athletes can.

The fact that this researcher is getting death threats just goes to demonstrate the kind of superiority complexes and privilege we let the athletic sector of society have, while the rest of us are expected to get back to the grind.
 
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It's not just in college though, it's in high school. How often are athletes allowed to shirk their education and just scrape by, simply because they want to play sports? It's unfair that other high school students are not allowed to streamline their own education according to what they are actually interested in, but athletes can.

The fact that this researcher is getting death threats just goes to demonstrate the kind of superiority complexes and privilege we let the athletic sector of society have, while the rest of us are expected to get back to the grind.

All good points.
 
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Researcher Gets Death Threats After Revealing Shocking Findings About College Athletes

Enjoy your College Football, sheep.

This may be taking step too far...

but I think the hard core identity with local sports teams is another facet of the increasing polarization of our society. Identification with the nation as a whole is no longer possible for a certain number of people. But... they need to identify with something. So, they pick local sports teams and elevate the sense of belonging even moe so than in the past. In their minds, the local sports teams take on charactristics once held by the nation. Disrepect them, in anyway, and "its on"....
 
Re: Researcher Gets Death Threats After Revealing Shocking Findings About College Ath

This may be taking step too far...

but I think the hard core identity with local sports teams is another facet of the increasing polarization of our society. Identification with the nation as a whole is no longer possible for a certain number of people. But... they need to identify with something. So, they pick local sports teams and elevate the sense of belonging even moe so than in the past. In their minds, the local sports teams take on charactristics once held by the nation. Disrepect them, in anyway, and "its on"....

I have always wondered how people can identify so closely with a professional sports team, when they have no personal connection with any of the people involved, particularly when it is a team on the other side of the country.

I can understand this connection when it is local. I still go to almost all home football games at my son's old high school, even though he graduated several years ago. And I either attend or watch on TV his college football team. But I have absolutely virtually no interest in professional sports. I simply have no connection.

The only professional sports team I have any connection to at all is the Carolina Panthers, and thats only because they practice in my home town, are owned my someone from my home town, and are an occasional customer of mine.
 
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I have always wondered how people can identify so closely with a professional sports team, when they have no personal connection with any of the people involved, particularly when it is a team on the other side of the country.

Perhaps some of the professional team zealotry might be due to the truly local competition (University sports) not being any good. They need to identify with a winner- so they look to the some what local pros.
 
Re: Researcher Gets Death Threats After Revealing Shocking Findings About College Ath

This may be taking step too far...

but I think the hard core identity with local sports teams is another facet of the increasing polarization of our society. Identification with the nation as a whole is no longer possible for a certain number of people. But... they need to identify with something. So, they pick local sports teams and elevate the sense of belonging even moe so than in the past. In their minds, the local sports teams take on charactristics once held by the nation. Disrepect them, in anyway, and "its on"....

Actually, it is a lot more basic then that.

College sports is a huge money maker. It is a fiction that Colleges and Universities are "non-profit", all that means is that the ultimate owner (the citizens of the state) are not given any of the money back. It goes into payroll, perks, and benefits for the employees. There is a reason why professors are typically in the 86th to 97th percentile salary range.

Those lavish salaries have to come from somewhere, and typically it is the athletics program (especially Football and Basketball). If the team does not "make money", the professors may not get as big of a raise the next year. So it is in their interest to pass them when others would fail. After all, the others only pay money, they do not make it.

And to find out how much money, the Auburn Football team on average makes around $37 million in profit. And I am not talking made, but profit. Their normal annual expenses run in the $39 million range, but they bring in over $76 million. Quite a pile of money for an institution that claims to be "Non-profit".
 
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Actually, it is a lot more basic then that.

College sports is a huge money maker. Their normal annual expenses run in the $39 million range, but they bring in over $76 million. Quite a pile of money for an institution that claims to be "Non-profit".

Yes, I think you are right. I am not a sports fan, so I didnot even think about that aspect. Given the huge sums of money involved, I wonder how many schools overtly and covertly build the hype - thus adding sales (maybe subsidizing cable costs to show games at local bars, sponsoring team events at local festivals etc)
 
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Actually, it is a lot more basic then that.

College sports is a huge money maker. It is a fiction that Colleges and Universities are "non-profit", all that means is that the ultimate owner (the citizens of the state) are not given any of the money back. It goes into payroll, perks, and benefits for the employees. There is a reason why professors are typically in the 86th to 97th percentile salary range.

Those lavish salaries have to come from somewhere, and typically it is the athletics program (especially Football and Basketball). If the team does not "make money", the professors may not get as big of a raise the next year. So it is in their interest to pass them when others would fail. After all, the others only pay money, they do not make it.

And to find out how much money, the Auburn Football team on average makes around $37 million in profit. And I am not talking made, but profit. Their normal annual expenses run in the $39 million range, but they bring in over $76 million. Quite a pile of money for an institution that claims to be "Non-profit".

While that may be true for Auburn, it is actually a myth that college sports is a money maker. Most colleges and universities LOSE money on thier sports programs, but still peddle the myth that it is a profit-generating venue for the insitution. The fact is, most colleges subsidize their athletic teams, including men's football and basketball (the only sports even capable of making a profit, by and large).

NCAA report: Economy cuts into college athletics - ESPN

NCAA: Only 22 Division I Athletic Programs Made Money In 2010 - Business Insider

But, really, even if the situation were true that college sports are money makers, it doesn't negate the fact that these players are student athletes (emphasis on "students.") We, as a society, have culturally accepted the "dumb jock" meme and continue, year after year after year, to reward athletes who are not succeeding in school, all because they can throw a ball well, run fast, or tackle hard.

Athletics, especially college athletics, provides valuable entertainment for many. But, that is all it is; entertainment. Colleges and universities should (though, I admit they never will) start treating these kids as students first, athletes second. Stop accepting students in to colleges who can't read. Don't pass the star quarterback who is failing history just because they have a playoff game coming. Make these kids be students first, and athletes second. Sports is entertaining, for many, but provides no useful skills for the vast majority of players who don't go on to play professionally.
 
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While that may be true for Auburn, it is actually a myth that college sports is a money maker. Most colleges and universities LOSE money on thier sports programs, but still peddle the myth that it is a profit-generating venue for the insitution. The fact is, most colleges subsidize their athletic teams, including men's football and basketball (the only sports even capable of making a profit, by and large).

Not quite. Neither of those goes into much detail, but the most informative (ESPN) states that the colleges do not give figures. And if you notice, they are talking about only direct money made from the sports program.

Without mentioning at all the huge grants and donations made via the Alumni Associations. Even for a small college this can run into the tens of millions per year, and is a major subsidy of the athletics programs. But because it is not paid by the school budgets, it is not counted in the figures.
 
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