Republicans try to block Biden administration plan to cut money for anti-abortion counseling centers

[JacksinPA]

Republicans try to block Biden administration plan to cut money for anti-abortion counseling centers

In a new twist in the abortion access fight, congressional Republicans are trying to block a Biden administration spending rule that they say will cut off millions of dollars to anti-abortion counseling centers.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a new twist to the fight over abortion access, congressional Republicans are trying to block a Biden administration spending rule that they say will cut off millions of dollars to anti-abortion counseling centers.

The rule would prohibit states from sending federal funds earmarked for needy Americans to so-called “crisis pregnancy centers,” which counsel against abortions. At stake are millions of dollars in federal funds that currently flow to the organizations through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, a block grant program created in 1996 to give cash assistance to poor children and prevent out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

“Programs that only or primarily provide pregnancy counseling to women only after they become pregnant likely do not meet the ... standard,” the Health and Human Services agency said in its rule proposal released late last year.

More than 7,000 comments have been submitted on the proposed rule, which includes a series of restrictions on how states would be able to spend TANF dollars.
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The repugs & their evang supporters want to take us back to the Dark Ages where you had to consult your village witch doctor to get an abortion. He would brew up a potion of toxic herbs that might or might not do the trick, all in the dark of night.

 

[Phys251]

Republicans try to block Biden administration plan to cut money for anti-abortion counseling centers

In a new twist in the abortion access fight, congressional Republicans are trying to block a Biden administration spending rule that they say will cut off millions of dollars to anti-abortion counseling centers.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a new twist to the fight over abortion access, congressional Republicans are trying to block a Biden administration spending rule that they say will cut off millions of dollars to anti-abortion counseling centers.

The rule would prohibit states from sending federal funds earmarked for needy Americans to so-called “crisis pregnancy centers,” which counsel against abortions. At stake are millions of dollars in federal funds that currently flow to the organizations through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program, a block grant program created in 1996 to give cash assistance to poor children and prevent out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

“Programs that only or primarily provide pregnancy counseling to women only after they become pregnant likely do not meet the ... standard,” the Health and Human Services agency said in its rule proposal released late last year.

More than 7,000 comments have been submitted on the proposed rule, which includes a series of restrictions on how states would be able to spend TANF dollars.
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The repugs & their evang supporters want to take us back to the Dark Ages where you had to consult your village witch doctor to get an abortion. He would brew up a potion of toxic herbs that might or might not do the trick, all in the dark of night.

"Crisis pregnancy centers," as they're euphemistically known, are scams. Good on President Biden.

America’s Crisis Pregnancy Centers Are Crimes Against Women

What crisis pregnancy centers really are -- and how they disguise themselves as abortion clinics, to mislead women.

forward.com

 

[JacksinPA]

"Crisis pregnancy centers," as they're euphemistically known, are scams. Good on President Biden.

America’s Crisis Pregnancy Centers Are Crimes Against Women

What crisis pregnancy centers really are -- and how they disguise themselves as abortion clinics, to mislead women.

forward.com

They are BS where they just frighten poor young women into bringing an unwanted life into the world. Once it's born they don't give a shit. Hypocrites.

 

[btthegreat]

This is a 'truth in advertising' issue more than anything. If they clearly identify themselves for what they are and are not, BEFORE you drive there, park your car and walk-in then there is a useful niche counseling service that they can provide to those who are pro-life, and are seeking such services. This niche used to be supplied by clearly identified religiously funded catholic or protestant based organisations which would not be appropriate for religious/state issues. My former wife and I went to to a 'St Thomas' pregnancy counseling service when she was pregnant once. Its was very heavy handed from a propaganda stand-point ,but I can't say we were blindsided like these newer 'centers' are which seek to deceive people into thinking that they provide the broader more inclusive pregnancy services that Planned Parenthood might provide.

Mostly this is about providing a lot of pamplets and phone numbers to poor mothers needing help finding doctors, counselors prenatal care, food and shelter resources and some maternity or baby clothes or even car seats. I am not opposed to pro life organisations doing this work, as long as they advertise themselves correctly.

 

[tshade]

I am all for education that helps women keep the child. I like the ultra-sound initiative that the Knights of Columbus have that allows the woman to see her child before aborting....

 

[renee]

They are BS where they just frighten poor young women into bringing an unwanted life into the world. Once it's born they don't give a shit. Hypocrites.

To them, life begins at conception, and ends at birth

 

[trouble13]

They are not anti-abortion clinics. They are pregnancy crisis clinics.

 

[renee]

I am all for education that helps women keep the child. I like the ultra-sound initiative that the Knights of Columbus have that allows the woman to see her child before aborting....

It’s hard to see a 1/2 of an ounce “child”
I think that is one of the most disgusting things I’ve heard. I guess you’re big on oppressing women

 

[tshade]

It’s hard to see a 1/2 of an ounce “child”
I think that is one of the most disgusting things I’ve heard. I guess you’re big on oppressing women

??? this is the 21st century-------you never saw an ultra-sound picture???

That organization saves many lives through that initiative---where is the "disgust" ??

 

[Phys251]

??? this is the 21st century-------you never saw an ultra-sound picture???

That organization saves many lives through that initiative---where is the "disgust" ??

CPCs are not honest in what they do. Read the article in the second post.

 

[JacksinPA]

CPCs are not honest in what they do. Read the article in the second post.

I'm very happy to have posted a study tonight that church attendance is dropping like a stone. CPCs wouldn't exist without bible-thumpers.

 

[Phys251]

I'm very happy to have posted a study tonight that church attendance is dropping like a stone. CPCs wouldn't exist without bible-thumpers.

That drop can't come fast enough. Right-wing Christians are literally killing people through their policies.

 

[btthegreat]

I am all for education that helps women keep the child. I like the ultra-sound initiative that the Knights of Columbus have that allows the woman to see her child before aborting....

I am ok with offering or 'allowing' it, but I am not remotely interested in coercing or nagging or in any way pushing the ultrasound because it normally does not serve any medical purpose per se. It agenda driven exercise that is akin to propaganda. Its really about guilting women into not having an abortion, and we normally do not do that with any other medical procedure.

 

[tshade]

I am ok with offering or 'allowing' it, but I am not remotely interested in coercing or nagging or in any way pushing the ultrasound because it normally does not serve any medical purpose per se. It agenda driven exercise that is akin to propaganda. Its really about guilting women into not having an abortion, and we normally do not do that with any other medical procedure.

true---in a way it IS guilting Lord knows we could use more guilt these days....) but this is more awareness of what it is you are aborting.........but the Knights are not a medical org...........................it has caused many women to change their minds----no coercing

 

[ALiberalModerate]

They are not anti-abortion clinics. They are pregnancy crisis clinics.

Explain the difference please.

 

[JacksinPA]

That drop can't come fast enough. Right-wing Christians are literally killing people through their policies.

A young woman who finds out she has an unplanned pregnancy should go to a CPC & demand a $10K check to cover her child expenses before she lets them touch or talk to her.

 

[trouble13]

Explain the difference please.

The first one is how the media characterizes something they don't like.

The second one is what it is.

 

[NWRatCon]

??? this is the 21st century-------you never saw an ultra-sound picture???

That organization saves many lives through that initiative---where is the "disgust" ??

I'm sorry... <throws flag> calling bullshit. That "initiative" creates more trauma. I guess you don't know much about psychology - or humanity - with that one. Sheesh.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The first one is how the media characterizes something they don't like.

The second one is what it is.

You can't define a crisis pregnancy center?

 

[tshade]

I'm sorry... <throws flag> calling bullshit. That "initiative" creates more trauma. I guess you don't know much about psychology - or humanity - with that one. Sheesh.

I have been involved in that program for 5 years and it has created ZERO trauma.
Know what you are talking about before spewing crap out your butt.....

 

[NWRatCon]

I have been involved in that program for 5 years and it has created ZERO trauma.
Know what you are talking about before spewing crap out your butt.....

Ah, "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see". No trauma from  your perspective, because it's not about you.

What is your basis of knowledge? Ever follow up with women who choose to abort? I have a basis of knowledge far greater than yours, my friend.

What's the point of the ultrasound? What's the effect? It is you who are bloviating out the ass. (Also, you need some education on basic biology.) You prefer to misinform the patient, rather than inform. Are you going to pretend you're not pushing your agenda on vulnerable individuals?

 

[tshade]

Ah, "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see". No trauma from  your perspective, because it's not about you.

no---because I deal with the program. Do you??

What is your basis of knowledge? Ever follow up with women who choose to abort? I have a basis of knowledge far greater than yours, my friend.

we always follow up..............................I have a degree in the psyco-sciences...............do you?

What's the point of the ultrasound? What's the effect? It is you who are bloviating out the ass. (Also, you need some education on basic biology.) You prefer to misinform the patient, rather than inform. Are you going to pretend you're not pushing your agenda on vulnerable individuals?

Good grief-----google the program

 

[mrjurrs]

??? this is the 21st century-------you never saw an ultra-sound picture???

That organization saves many lives through that initiative---where is the "disgust" ??

Fetus do not possess recognizable aspects of the human form until 12 weeks. When you say save lives do you mean preventing the termination of the pregnancy?

Imo, that is really presumptuous.

 

[tshade]

Fetus do not possess recognizable aspects of the human form until 12 weeks. When you say save lives do you mean preventing the termination of the pregnancy?

Imo, that is really presumptuous.

Just by being aware that it is human helps mothers to not choose abortion

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I have been involved in that program for 5 years and it has created ZERO trauma.
Know what you are talking about before spewing crap out your butt.....

In all fairness, how do you know?