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You're absolutely right..It also shows how oblivious you are to what happened this past week in Repub circles.. KOCH bros or Obama buying votes??didn't CU hide that for all concerned?
His 1st interest rate was close to a Half TRILLION--Thanks..
So Obama had one month to clean up from the 2008 collapse..Should Obama have ignored the CBO numbers?
Almost everything political in Washington D.C. all depends on which party holds the presidency. If you go back through history you will find the debt ceiling votes which is very unpopular to be raised by all members of congress, the party out of power almost always votes against it while the party in power votes for it. Here is an example of the senate vote in the senate during Bush.
BUSH THE 2ND TENURE
year Dem for Dem against Rep for Rep against
2003 3 45 50 1
2004 2 46 50 1
2006 0 44 52 3
The senate votes above reinforce your statement about republicans, but it also puts the democrats in the same boat. The Democrats are only for raising the debt ceiling if the president is of their own party, against it when a Republican holds the White House. Wars are the same way, when a republican is in office, democrats will vote against them, but when a democrat is in office, they are for them. Such is the nature of life in Washington.
Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
Rationalize it any way you want, but "conservatives" were silent throughout the Reagan/Bush/Bush years while the debt was being piled high, and only woke up when a Democrat got into office. It's partisan bickering and nothing more.
Fair enough points. I was only focusing on the birth of the Tea Party. They suddenly started lashing out against debt spending, and have themselves convinced they're lashing out on principle, not on party, but their silence for the previous 8 years proves otherwise. I don't so much mind their partisan hackery, it's just creepy that they seem to have themselves convinced that it's on principle. That kind of self-delusion is always unsettling to me.
The T.E.A. Party today stands for Taxed enough already and rose out of the massive deficits Obama has generated
Then Obama came along and started spending like a drunk sailor in the closest cat house to the port, he made many people realize just how stupid the government was in spending productive peoples money. And how unproductive the government is/was.
With me, being a Perot backer and a member of the Reform Party, I felt sort of an affinity with the Tea Party folks when they first came upon the scene. You know, fiscal responsibility, call attention to the nation's debt ala perot. But they delved more into social issues and became worried about low taxes instead of fiscal responsibility, I no longer feel for them. Call them wolves in sheep's clothing.
Bull**** on it's face. It started 4 days after Obama took office, before he had any policies in place at all, and was composed almost completely out of the same people who were defending Dubya when he did all the same stuff they're bitching about, now. It was thought up, funded, created and propagated by Republican Party insiders, affiliates and financiers.
The T.E.A. Party today stands for Taxed enough already and rose out of the massive deficits Obama has generated and his promotion of class warfare and envy. Demonizing individual wealth creation is nothing more than campaign rhetoric that divides the nation and Obama is good at doing just that.
Bull**** on it's face. It started 4 days after Obama took office, before he had any policies in place at all, and was composed almost completely out of the same people who were defending Dubya when he did all the same stuff they're bitching about, now. It was thought up, funded, created and propagated by Republican Party insiders, affiliates and financiers.
Exactly. They talk about a lot. It's all nonsense, though. They're basically just a radical populist movement with no real aim except to hate Democrats. That's fine, I kind of hate Democrats a little, myself, but it's not the primary purpose and drive of my life, and the core of my self-identity.
This is either a bald-faced lie or complete, abject ignorance. Obama hadn't spent a goddamned red cent before the TEA party started up.
Bull**** on it's face. It started 4 days after Obama took office, before he had any policies in place at all, and was composed almost completely out of the same people who were defending Dubya when he did all the same stuff they're bitching about, now. It was thought up, funded, created and propagated by Republican Party insiders, affiliates and financiers.
Exactly. They talk about a lot. It's all nonsense, though. They're basically just a radical populist movement with no real aim except to hate Democrats. That's fine, I kind of hate Democrats a little, myself, but it's not the primary purpose and drive of my life, and the core of my self-identity.
No, they didn't but then again I haven't had Fox on for a long time. Spending more time here trying to educate people like you but it is a lost cause. Apparently since the Democrats Agreed with the House bill the govt. is no longer shutdown. Must have missed that even on Fox News.
You're aware that the "defund/delay obamacare" part is still something the GOP insists on, right?
What is wrong with people like you? You have no idea what you are talking about, post no data to support anything you claim and then refute what others post that is backed up by verifiable data. You really need to take a civics class to learn about how our govt. works. Obama had his stimulus package and signed in the first week of February 2009
Would that be the same republican party insiders that wish it would go away? You know, the same ones that have tried to undercut it anyway they can?
People did not start hating wasteful government spending four days after Obama took office. That's gone on for years and years.
Here is why Republicans are seen as bat**** crazy....
How dare Gohmert call McCain an al Qaeda supporter. McCain left blood on the battlefield, and spent time being tortured in a POW camp. Can Gohmert say the same? Of course not. His 4 years in the Army were spent polishing a seat with his ass. Although I don't see eye to eye with McCain on a lot of issues, he is still a freakin' hero. Gohmert? A big, fat, freakin' zero. And big, fat, freakin' zeros like this knuckledragging fruitcake are who run the Republican party these days.
Here is why Republicans are seen as bat**** crazy....
How dare Gohmert call McCain an al Qaeda supporter. McCain left blood on the battlefield, and spent time being tortured in a POW camp. Can Gohmert say the same? Of course not. His 4 years in the Army were spent polishing a seat with his ass. Although I don't see eye to eye with McCain on a lot of issues, he is still a freakin' hero. Gohmert? A big, fat, freakin' zero. And big, fat, freakin' zeros like this knuckledragging fruitcake are who run the Republican party these days.
Yep, and rightly so since the House controls the purse strings. Doesn't change the law like Obama has with all those exemptions so it just may have to stand on its own without funding. Works for me. You see unlike those here passionate about Obamacare and anything Obama does I understand history and the Obama performance results. No Federal social program ever cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, but it did create jobs for bureaucrats.
So, next time the Democrats have the house, you're not going to complain when they demand carbon taxes, gun control, reinstatement of the VRA, etc, in "exchange for" continued payment of military pensions?
So, next time the Democrats have the house, you're not going to complain when they demand carbon taxes, gun control, reinstatement of the VRA, etc, in "exchange for" continued payment of military pensions?
" The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
How quick some forget.
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