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Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats’ impeachment report

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Republicans issue 123-page defense of Trump ahead of Democrats' impeachment report | US news | The Guardian

"The 123-page Republican report was prepared for Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and Michael McCaul, the ranking members on the House intelligence, oversight and foreign affairs committees, respectively."

Trying to coordinate partisan talking points is expected. Coordinating them with dishonesty is unfortunate. The strangest thing to me, though, is how Republicans have decided to preempt news with fabricated descriptions of events. They're publishing a dissent before the opinion gets issued, so to speak. It worked well enough with Barr/Mueller, so it looks like they're going to keep running the same play.
 
It's disinformation to disrupt democracy. No other way to put it.
 
Chomsky said:
It's disinformation to disrupt democracy. No other way to put it.
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They've got a formidable amount of discipline. What their story lacks in consistency from day to day it matches in being told consistently by Trump's surrogates at any given moment.
 
It is disingenuous that none of you have read what has been drafted but already know its bad in whatever way. You are being led around and being told what to think about it before its available to the public.
 
OpportunityCost said:
It is disingenuous that none of you have read what has been drafted but already know its bad in whatever way. You are being led around and being told what to think about it before its available to the public.
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Are you referring to Trump supporters?
 
Democrat Party = Criminally insane danger to Country & Constitution

Republican Party = All that stands between the Democrat Party & the destruction of our society

Devin Nunes = True patriot
 
OpportunityCost said:
It is disingenuous that none of you have read what has been drafted but already know its bad in whatever way. You are being led around and being told what to think about it before its available to the public.
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Oh, ok. If the Guardian totally made up its article, I'll be sure to post a retraction on its behalf.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Democrat Party = Criminally insane danger to Country & Constitution

Republican Party = All that stands between the Democrat Party & the destruction of our society

Devin Nunes = True patriot
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Nalu said:
They've got a formidable amount of discipline. What their story lacks in consistency from day to day it matches in being told consistently by Trump's surrogates at any given moment.
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Well said. Agreed.
 
Nalu said:
Oh, ok. If the Guardian totally made up its article, I'll be sure to post a retraction on its behalf.
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They don't know, either. They are counting on anonymous leaks. You are letting someone else tell you what's there and what isn't. When even they don't know for sure.
 
ecofarm said:
Are you referring to Trump supporters?
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Ecofarm either you are being serious, and we both know you aren't; or you are deliberately being misleading. There is another word for that, do you remember it?
 
Republicans saw the same evidence that the Dems did. The Republicans have reached their opinion of that evidence. Nothing wrong with that.
 

This is pure TWILIGHT ZONE alternate reality that only the GOP dwell in and seem quite happy there. They have betrayed America, the American people and our Constitution.
 
[Disclaimer. I have not yet read the Republican's document.]

President of the United States of America Donald Trump faces at least three specific possibilities of wrongdoing in any future articles of impeachment. There is the 'un-indicted co-conspirator' reference in a court case that has seen the other party sentenced to jail, the 10 or so citations in Part 2 of the Mueller report and the possible misuse of office for personal gain with the government of Ukraine.

There is evidence for each of these. Much of it is already before the public.

The Republican document, I would hope, will provide reasoned discussion of the evidence in each area and show why it is not correct. In short, it will, ideally, be an appeal to reason based upon fact.
 

So you're just going to claim your own nonsense and attempt to make just another regressive circle jerk thread?

I don't see you offering any actual responses to what is being proposed, apart from the same tired derision that we've been getting from your side all this whole time.
 
OpportunityCost said:
It is disingenuous that none of you have read what has been drafted but already know its bad in whatever way. You are being led around and being told what to think about it before its available to the public.
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Everything in this report we already heard in the open hearings and all the media coverage since this all began. The GOP has no real defense of the facts. So they make stuff up and keep pushing conspiracy theories. Given their track record, no one needs to read the GOP report. They have nothing exculpatory. Attack the process, attack the witnesses. End of story. Trump got caught and is guilty as sin.
 
OpportunityCost said:
They don't know, either. They are counting on anonymous leaks. You are letting someone else tell you what's there and what isn't. When even they don't know for sure.
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Like Bill Barr did with the Mueller report?
 

Democrats condemn defense of Trump. They would rather just string him up by mob rule and be done with him, no trial needed.
 
haymarket said:
This is pure TWILIGHT ZONE alternate reality that only the GOP dwell in and seem quite happy there. They have betrayed America, the American people and our Constitution.
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Right On!

The deplorables have destroyed that Grand Old Party.
 
I have no issue with Republicans issuing a defense, but we should all be concerned over how they present "evidence" that are really just talking points.

Not much effort was made to directly combat the testimony of key witnesses, and in some respects Republicans dance around several false narratives that benefit Russia. Just suggesting this is all a plot by Democrats to nullify the 2016 election results seems more desperation than anything else.
 
OpportunityCost said:
It is disingenuous that none of you have read what has been drafted but already know its bad in whatever way.
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I mean, it's not hard to find it...

https://republicans-oversight.house...t-Inquiry-in-the-House-of-Representatives.pdf

It also contains this absolute gem: "The evidence shows that President Trump holds a deep-seated, genuine, and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption."

C'mon, that is just absolutely laughable. If the President of the United States genuinely thought Ukraine was corrupt, why would he ask them to investigate a United States citizen? How unbelievably stupid is that logic and how unbelievably stupid does one have to be to actually believe that?


The Republican defense of Trump in this document is intended for idiots and true believers. It's not intended to be taken seriously by anyone with a modicum of independent intelligence.


It's all they have. They have no real exculpatory evidence. Everyone knows what happened, everyone knows why it happened, but Republicans are simply giving Republican voters (and more importantly Republican Congressmen) cover to ignore all of that to play team politics.

At this point, Republicans are literally putting the good of their party over what is right for the country because they care more about power (whether it is individual power as Congressmen or team power as Republicans matters not) than they do about doing what is right for the country.
 
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3leftsdoo said:
Democrat Party = Criminally insane danger to Country & Constitution

Republican Party = All that stands between the Democrat Party & the destruction of our society

Devin Nunes = True patriot
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Is that why Republicans have adopted Russian disinformation that the Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 election -- because Republicans are such defenders of democracy?

Both Trump and his sycophants in Congress have latched onto the conspiracy theory that Russia DID NOT HACK the DNC, and instead hacked itself to frame Russia.

I think you have a warped sense of patriotism -- unless you mean patriotism to Russia.
 

You should read more than just the bullet points.....
 
sjmay said:
You should read more than just the bullet points.....
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...I'm reading the document put out by Republicans, where they claim Trump is so concerned by Ukrainian corruption he withheld Congressionally appropriated funds until they investigated the son of his political rival.

You should read...well, anything.


Wait, I remember you! You're the one who always runs away when given facts. So glad to see you again. Let's see if you'll answer the questions I posed to you or if you'll just run away again:

1) Was it ignorance or dishonesty that led you to posting lies about Sondland's testimony?
2) Is Trump a corrupt ruler who tried to extort and bribe a foreign government into investigating his political rivals or is Trump so incompetent as a leader that everyone working on a policy Trump claims is important to him all came to the same wrong conclusion about what he wanted?


Please answer those questions finally.
 
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