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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-funding-trump/index.html
Lots of interesting stuff in this story.
*Deal is expected to be very similar to deals Dems have been open to in the past...so a move to put the pressure of public opinion on Dems as opposed to Trump. Of course, it should be pointed out that Trump REJECTED this very type of deal months ago.
*It’s rumored Trump is proposing this now because he wants to have a reason other than tit for tat for canceling Pelosi’s plane that would have taken her to Afghanistan.
*Dems might try to resist anyway, basing their stance on the polls that show the public doesn’t want a wall...and they may tout their bills that include money for all sorts of beefed up border protections...just not a wall.
Will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. If I was the Dems, I’d be tempted to counter with “sign the bipartisan bills we already have in place to end the shutdown...then we’ll talk about this”.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-funding-trump/index.html
Lots of interesting stuff in this story.
*Deal is expected to be very similar to deals Dems have been open to in the past...so a move to put the pressure of public opinion on Dems as opposed to Trump. Of course, it should be pointed out that Trump REJECTED this very type of deal months ago.
*It’s rumored Trump is proposing this now because he wants to have a reason other than tit for tat for canceling Pelosi’s plane that would have taken her to Afghanistan.
*Dems might try to resist anyway, basing their stance on the polls that show the public doesn’t want a wall...and they may tout their bills that include money for all sorts of beefed up border protections...just not a wall.
Will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. If I was the Dems, I’d be tempted to counter with “sign the bipartisan bills we already have in place to end the shutdown...then we’ll talk about this”.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-funding-trump/index.html
Lots of interesting stuff in this story.
*Deal is expected to be very similar to deals Dems have been open to in the past...so a move to put the pressure of public opinion on Dems as opposed to Trump. Of course, it should be pointed out that Trump REJECTED this very type of deal months ago.
*It’s rumored Trump is proposing this now because he wants to have a reason other than tit for tat for canceling Pelosi’s plane that would have taken her to Afghanistan.
*Dems might try to resist anyway, basing their stance on the polls that show the public doesn’t want a wall...and they may tout their bills that include money for all sorts of beefed up border protections...just not a wall.
Will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. If I was the Dems, I’d be tempted to counter with “sign the bipartisan bills we already have in place to end the shutdown...then we’ll talk about this”.
He's supposed to offer "Temporary", not permanent protections. Temporary is always meaningless, but if it wasn't always meaningless it still would be when it's coming from Trump. Those protections will vanish, because reasons, the moment Trump has gotten what he wanted.
Open government and they can talk. Although, if Trump's wall cannot stand the rigor of an actual Appropriations process, it should not be built and no deal should be considered where we are now, at the point of a knife.
dems have no power if trump offers on the DACA thing. if they reject it then well they are screwed. this was the play that i was waiting on for a while now.
Trump put them in a corner if he is offering this deal to them.
They have been crying for months about DACA and now he is giving it to them.
No he isn't going to sign anything that doesn't include what he wants because he knows for a fact that if he signs something without it in there he will never get it.
a more stupid politician would do what you suggest but trump is a business man and he is playing by business rules not politics.
He is not more going to sign anything without what he wants in it then he would otherwise.
however now with offering them the DACA deal he has put them on the defense.
The dems have no one to blame but themselves. they filibustered the last congress bill that would have stopped this from happening.
100% of the blame belongs on them.
there is no way trump will give up the leverage that he has in a closed government.
Sure they have power...the power that most Americans don’t want a wall and blame Trump for this shutdown.
Wrong- there are bills now that would pass with veto-proof majorities and re-open the government.
McConnell won’t let the Senate bill get to the floor.
The dems have no one to blame but themselves. they filibustered the last congress bill that would have stopped this from happening.
100% of the blame belongs on them.
there is no way trump will give up the leverage that he has in a closed government.
Numerous polls show that the majority blames Trump for the shutdown. He has no leverage or bargaining power. Democrats are content to watch Trump's approval numbers shrink while the shutdown continues.
and trump wont sign them and they do not have the votes to override a presidential veto.
you don't seem to understand how bills work.
again the dems do not have the power. they want the government open they are going to have to compromise.
sure he does. he has all the leverage he needs. he has the senate and the presidency.
that is because people are stupid. this was caused last year by liberals not signing the bill that
would have prevented this.
they choose to filibuster the bill and that is all there is too it.
they own the shut down and anyone that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
sure he does. he has all the leverage he needs. he has the senate and the presidency.
that is because people are stupid. this was caused last year by liberals not signing the bill that
would have prevented this.
they choose to filibuster the bill and that is all there is too it.
they own the shut down and anyone that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
He literally explained to you that they have a veto-proof bill. You literally quoted it in the reply in which you ignored it.
Donald wants a wall. McConnell won't let any bill without wall funding get to a vote.
You were just talking about people being stupid and ignoring facts, weren't you?
Which Bill is that?
and trump wont sign them and they do not have the votes to override a presidential veto.
his opinion of what is veto proof or not is irrelevant.
there is nothing to say that it would be.
The fact is that the president can veto it and it would probably die in the senate vote.
again the dem's have 0 power in here as i stated and there is no reason to open up government
until both sides get something they want.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/21/senate-trump-wall-1072331
The Senate earlier voted to advance a House-passed spending bill, if only to keep talks going between Republicans and Democrats over Trump’s demand for $5 billion in new money for his wall.
"The Senate has voted to proceed to the legislation before us in order to preserve maximum flexibility for productive conversations to continue between the White House and our Democratic colleagues. I hope Senate Democrats will work with the White House," said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on the floor following one of the longest votes in the chamber's history. McConnell was wearing a button on his suit reading "Cranky Coalition" as he made his announcement.
But Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a key player in the budget fight, countered that Trump was never going to get that much money — or any money — for his wall and floated several other plans to break the logjam. Those offers were quickly rejected by the White House.
there you go dems own the shut down. schumer filibustered any bill that would have been able to fund the government can keep it going.
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