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A new report released last week suggests that shoddy contracting practices are fomenting discontent and distrust among Afghan contractors, damaging efforts to foster Afghan businesses, and undermining the reconstruction effort in Afghanistan. The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) reported that $69 million in unpaid bills owed to Afghan subcontractors have led to death and kidnapping threats, work stoppages, fraud, at least one car chase, and the use of local police forces to extract payment.Here are some of the highlights from the report:
Read more @: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid | Mother Jones
I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
Read more @: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid | Mother Jones
I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.If we wanted to win the hearts and minds of the people in the middle east we would not have sent soldiers. Soldiers are not trained to win the hearts and minds of people, they are trained for combat which is probably directly contradictory to winning the hearts and minds of people. It forces me to ask the question on whether or not the US people would accept an armed presence in their streets by their own military, or would they resent them? If we do not even want our military securing our streets, why would another country want it? The hearts and minds lie is something that allows the war mongers to pretend to be doing other people a favor by killing them. It works well because there are many who feel these other countries should be greateful for americans shooting them in their own streets. The fact that so many americans bought into that stupid BS shows me that I really overestimated their intelligence levels and compassion. That is really sad because i always have had a large negative overall opinion of the US populace.
So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
Helping the people have a shot at self determination was certainly a fringe benefit. I suppose if you are thrilled with the idea of women being shot in public for daring to teach young girls how to read or young men being hung and burned for being gay, then you should continue to mourn the loss of control by the Taliban.Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
It's their choice not ours... until they show up here by the shipload and are granted asylum by the very same people that didn't care enough to help them in the first place.Sorry, but if those people want to be ruled by the taliban then that is their choice, not ours. Unless you want a full on all out invasion of afganistan and to make it completely under US control the people of that country will decide who to follow, and it will probably be the people who go against those who blow them up. Also, I don't pay taxes to help the people of ofganistan, and neither do you. We are not the world's p[olice force. You sure as hell are not over there to save gays and transgendered people. Believe me, if the reason for this war was women's rights, and protection of the GLBT community there is no way republicans would have ever done it. So please stop trying to pretend we are over there to help people. I do not fall for that BS when the government says it, why would I fall for it when some guy on the internet says it.
So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
Yes. The Taliban should have been left in power in Afghanistan. Their cooperative efforts with AlQaida were certainly helpful, and you HAVE to love how they treated women and homosexuals. Of course...transgendered types there I am sure recieved the same kind of love and respect. Oh...for the good old days of Taliban rule in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
Read more @: Report: Subcontractors in Afghanistan Do Crazy Things When They Don't Get Paid | Mother Jones
I kew this would become a problem. Not so much winning the "hearts and minds". Occupations doesnt work especially when this **** happens. [/FONT][/COLOR]
It's their choice not ours... until they show up here by the shipload and are granted asylum by the very same people that didn't care enough to help them in the first place.
So we should of just packed up and left after getting to Al Queda? Sorry, we took out your government, police force and blew up a lot of your infrastructure, bye, have a nice day.
Everyone except the US does that.
Everyone except the US does that.
Like I said...Im glad to note that you would prefer the rule of Saddam and the Taliban. THIER record on the matters...well...it was pretty clear. But in case you missed it, we can probably post the videos again of the hangings, the burned bodies, the women stoned for the crime of being raped, etc. Me...Id take the OPPORTUNITY for self determination, democracy, even...whats that label you like...oh yeah...progress...over what was already known. But...hey...different strokes.it is a tenuous thread you weave trying to have the Taliban do more than give Osama a place to live after being kicked out of the Sudan. it was more a courtesy after Osama's help fighting the Soviets rather than a mutual love fest.
Now given the current, some say puppet government, we installed I don't think gays or women get that great a shake now. I don't see the SSM issue going well in Afghanistan...have a missed it being adopted in Kabul?
Given the enormous cost of both Iraq and Afghanistan and the very crappy return, democracy my shiny hiney, gays and the transgendered can expect no surge of governmental love, women have a very good possibility of returning to second class citizen with a few showboat exceptions.
We never learn....
Like I said...Im glad to note that you would prefer the rule of Saddam and the Taliban. THIER record on the matters...well...it was pretty clear. But in case you missed it, we can probably post the videos again of the hangings, the burned bodies, the women stoned for the crime of being raped, etc. Me...Id take the OPPORTUNITY for self determination, democracy, even...whats that label you like...oh yeah...progress...over what was already known. But...hey...different strokes.
I cant dictate what the Iraqis choose post Saddam nor the Afghanis post Taliban. Point of fact we should have helped both of them elect a government and left...Bush's biggest failing was their post war ops. If they want to choose fundamentalism...OK. If they want to allow Al Qaida back in, they get what they deserve. I cant address what tomorrow will hold for them...thats THEIR choice. We DID address the knowns. The Russians couldn't pull it off...we managed to defeat the Taliban and Saddam n the combined span of about 3 months. We created an environment where their people could select their own fate.OH PLAHEEZE!!!! As if it was about removing Saddam, or any of a dozen other cruel dudes, or for that matter the Taliban. Russia tried for 10 years and the backlash was the Taliban, wonder what our leaving will unleash?
Have you not been paying attention to the reports out of Iraq AFTER Saddam was hung??? Still murders, mutilations, hangings, girls being killed attending schools- what exactly changed beyond the murderers are a bit more diverse? Suicide bombers, mosques attacked.... Iran delving into Iraqi politics.... yeah that's progress we can be proud of and well worth the dead, mutilated Americans along with a trillion or so dollars.
I wouldn't expend so many lives and money on Afghanistan as 'opportunity' in that country is more like a forlorn hope than realistic opportunity. I wish the Neo-cons had read history instead of arrogantly thinking history starts today.
I cant dictate what the Iraqis choose post Saddam nor the Afghanis post Taliban. Point of fact we should have helped both of them elect a government and left...Bush's biggest failing was their post war ops. If they want to choose fundamentalism...OK. If they want to allow Al Qaida back in, they get what they deserve. I cant address what tomorrow will hold for them...thats THEIR choice. We DID address the knowns. The Russians couldn't pull it off...we managed to defeat the Taliban and Saddam n the combined span of about 3 months. We created an environment where their people could select their own fate.
But...I get your point and will continue to return to it since you continue to embrace it. You long for the days of Saddam in Iraq and the Taliban rule. Things were so swell...and held such promise.
You can keep bitching and whining about neocons and longing for the good old days when Saddam brutalized his people and the Taliban killed men for acting effeminate, let alone actually being gay. Whatever works for you.first point to where I ever posted I long for Saddam or the Taliban? You are creating an apposing position to argue against rather than the one I present.... tacky as hell.
Next we didn't defeat anyone in Afghanistan, that is the typical flawed mindset that hinders rational decision making BEFORE attacking a country long steeped in fighting invaders. We didn't defeat anyone, they simply went underground or to safe havens. Many we call Taliban fighters simply put down their weapons and waited.
Next in Iraq we didn't give 'the people' a chance at anything but more murder and mayhem. More like we pulled the cork on a volatile mix of tribe/religion that the Neo-Cons were clueless about and clueless how to stop. it was our 'help' in electing a new government that was AS responsible for the violence as unleashing the various factions to wage retribution on each other. you can't point at just one part of the Iraqi debacle and say flawed when it was a screwed pooch from the git-go.
Revisionists are going to work long and hard to make Iraq about freedom and 'a chance' but the real bottom line was a very flawed attempt to put a strong pro-USofA nation as a bulwark against Iran and it's designs on the Middle East/Israel that just happens to have massive oil reserves...
You can keep bitching and whining about neocons and longing for the good old days when Saddam brutalized his people and the Taliban killed men for acting effeminate, let alone actually being gay. Whatever works for you.
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