Reopening, the facts

[Luckyone]

I want to make everyone aware of a graph regarding the Corona Virus infections per day and what happened yesterday when the country basically "reopened"

I was actually shocked given that most Trump supporters are saying that reopening is the right thing to do given that the virus has plateaued. This graph states the opposite.

This graph is of the daily infection cases per day up to yesterday. Please note the spike up to new highs of infections yesterday.

 

[Metric Mouse]

So there was massive spreading of the virus 2 weeks ago during lockdown? I don't think anyone would be shocked by that.

 

[americanwoman]

So there was massive spreading of the virus 2 weeks ago during lockdown? I don't think anyone would be shocked by that.

Not all places were locked down 2 weeks ago.

 

[Conservative]

I want to make everyone aware of a graph regarding the Corona Virus infections per day and what happened yesterday when the country basically "reopened"

I was actually shocked given that most Trump supporters are saying that reopening is the right thing to do given that the virus has plateaued. This graph states the opposite.

This graph is of the daily infection cases per day up to yesterday. Please note the spike up to new highs of infections yesterday.

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And yet here are the results for the U.S. against those liberal utopian countries that the left wants us to emulate. Every country is measured the same way, Cases, deaths and percentage. Death percentages change daily as well but as you can see the U.S. because of its population vs. those European countries has the highest number of cases thus infections but with the exception of Germany continues to generate better results than all those European countries with Universal Healthcare. Let's face it, the Democrats believe they benefit from an economy shutdown, high unemployment which they believe will drive people to Biden.

5/19/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1558631 92259 5.9%

Spain 278188 27778 10.0%

Italy 226699 32169 14.2%

England 268818 35341 13.1%

France 143427 28022 19.5%

Netherlands 44447 5748 12.9%

Canada 79112 5912 7.5%

Germany 177827 8193 4.6%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

 

[Metric Mouse]

Not all places were locked down 2 weeks ago.

Big spikes in deaths in those areas? Seems like the spread is not contained very well anywhere.

 

[Conservative]

Big spikes in deaths in those areas? Seems like the spread is not contained very well anywhere.

Haven't seen the big spikes in deaths in this country as we are still 5.9% better than most of Europe, Post 4

 

[Helix]

it's too soon, and not enough people have been tested. however, it is what it is. i hope that it doesn't result in a lot of people getting sick.

 

[Conservative]

it's too soon, and not enough people have been tested. however, it is what it is. i hope that it doesn't result in a lot of people getting sick.

Results as of yesterday

5/19/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1558631 92259 5.9%

Spain 278188 27778 10.0%

Italy 226699 32169 14.2%

England 268818 35341 13.1%

France 143427 28022 19.5%

Netherlands 44447 5748 12.9%

Canada 79112 5912 7.5%

Germany 177827 8193 4.6%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

 

[longview]

Part of reopening is more testing! More testing leads to more existing infected persons being uncovered.
Here is a page that while perhaps incomplete, show how the level of US testing have been increasing.
Daily COVID-19 tests per thousand people - Our World in Data
Let's say for example that 2% of the population has been infected by Covid-19, that would be some 6.6 million people,
If we have only tested 3 million people, we are still in the stage where more test equals more new cases.
This is not because there are more new cases, we are simply finding them faster.

 

[Luckyone]

And yet here are the results for the U.S. against those liberal utopian countries that the left wants us to emulate. Every country is measured the same way, Cases, deaths and percentage. Death percentages change daily as well but as you can see the U.S. because of its population vs. those European countries has the highest number of cases thus infections but with the exception of Germany continues to generate better results than all those European countries with Universal Healthcare. Let's face it, the Democrats believe they benefit from an economy shutdown, high unemployment which they believe will drive people to Biden.

5/19/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1558631 92259 5.9%

Spain 278188 27778 10.0%

Italy 226699 32169 14.2%

England 268818 35341 13.1%

France 143427 28022 19.5%

Netherlands 44447 5748 12.9%

Canada 79112 5912 7.5%

Germany 177827 8193 4.6%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

If you are going to be factual, using the same chart I supplied above, you will notice that we did not report cases because of a lack of testing until the 3rd week of March, a full 2 months after the first reported case of infection in the United States the third week of January.

That is 2 months of the country (because of the president) not doing anything. It is fact that the best way to control the virus is by testing and putting those infected into quarentine. We did not do that because Trump pooh-poohed the virus.

Comparing to other countries and their results does not make Trump's response a good one. We are not in a contest of who did the best. We are in a life and death situation where even one unnecessary death is one too much. We are supposed to be the #1 country in the world as far as pandemic response and we failed to be the best at the response we had. It is all on Trump and many of the deaths are his fault.

 

[Rickeroo]

I want to make everyone aware of a graph regarding the Corona Virus infections per day and what happened yesterday when the country basically "reopened"

I was actually shocked given that most Trump supporters are saying that reopening is the right thing to do given that the virus has plateaued. This graph states the opposite.

This graph is of the daily infection cases per day up to yesterday. Please note the spike up to new highs of infections yesterday.

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Here are two charts that show essentially no change due to opening:





COVID-19 pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia

United States Coronavirus: 1,571,328 Cases and 93,561 Deaths - Worldometer

There are two factors at work - the "opening" really isn't an opening, and Covid just isn't as deadly as they said it was going to be.

 

[Metric Mouse]

it's too soon, and not enough people have been tested. however, it is what it is. i hope that it doesn't result in a lot of people getting sick.

A lot of people are going to get sick. A lot of people got sick when things were locked down. More are going to get sick either way, and many, many will die. We are likely at 1/20th of the death toll that will be seen before a vaccine is completed.

Hope and prayers will sadly not change that.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

I want to make everyone aware of a graph regarding the Corona Virus infections per day and what happened yesterday when the country basically "reopened"

I was actually shocked given that most Trump supporters are saying that reopening is the right thing to do given that the virus has plateaued. This graph states the opposite.

This graph is of the daily infection cases per day up to yesterday. Please note the spike up to new highs of infections yesterday.

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OK ... please understand that graph does not represent a spike in real-world infections. In fact, the more recently reported the data, the less accurate it is, simply due to data gathering and reporting methodology.

In my state, there are random spikes all over the day-to-day data due to large institutions reporting everything at once. But there are also inconsistencies in data gathering at the local level -- the bottom of the data chain.

Here, cases are categorized by "onset date," which is the earliest known date associated with the case. That doesn't mean that's when the person got it. It could be the first time they sought treatment, the date the test came back positive, the date of death, or some other date that is essentially the first recorded encounter in which that patient became officially associated with COVID-19.

Deaths are categorized by "date of death," which also isn't necessarily the actual day the person died, either, but those discrepancies are outliers.

 

[Conservative]

If you are going to be factual, using the same chart I supplied above, you will notice that we did not report cases because of a lack of testing until the 3rd week of March, a full 2 months after the first reported case of infection in the United States the third week of January.

That is 2 months of the country (because of the president) not doing anything. It is fact that the best way to control the virus is by testing and putting those infected into quarentine. We did not do that because Trump pooh-poohed the virus.

Comparing to other countries and their results does not make Trump's response a good one. We are not in a contest of who did the best. We are in a life and death situation where even one unnecessary death is one too much. We are supposed to be the #1 country in the world as far as pandemic response and we failed to be the best at the response we had. It is all on Trump and many of the deaths are his fault.

the data I posted is current and the link is posted. Blaming Trump for his reaction defies history, logic and common sense. You wanted more testing, you wanted more rhetoric, you want to divert from state and local responsibilities. This is nothing more than anti Trump and revisionist history, testing wasn't the answer, social distancing was and Trump didn't have the authority to enact that policy.

Tell us exactly what Trump should have done and when since you seem to believe he was incompetent? I see this as nothing more than partisan rhetoric ignoring that testing couldn't have prevented the virus from getting to this country and testing isn't something that can be forced on the American people.

Life and death in this issue rests with personal responsibility not placing blame on someone else.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

A lot of people are going to get sick. A lot of people got sick when things were locked down. More are going to get sick either way, and many, many will die. We are likely at 1/20th of the death toll that will be seen before a vaccine is completed.

Hope and prayers will sadly not change that.

That's a bold prediction. There's almost no chance that's going to happen.

 

[Luckyone]

Part of reopening is more testing! More testing leads to more existing infected persons being uncovered.
Here is a page that while perhaps incomplete, show how the level of US testing have been increasing.
Daily COVID-19 tests per thousand people - Our World in Data
Let's say for example that 2% of the population has been infected by Covid-19, that would be some 6.6 million people,
If we have only tested 3 million people, we are still in the stage where more test equals more new cases.
This is not because there are more new cases, we are simply finding them faster.

Nothing wrong with your facts but then again, why did we not begin testing until 2 weeks after the first case was reported? In South Korea and Germany they began testing 1-2 weeks after the first case was reported. Why did we wait 9 weeks to begin testing? Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer.

In addition, our testing was not good at the beginning and it was dependent of us buying testing kits from other countries. Why weren't we prepared to do our own testing? Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer. Why are we making testing something the states have to bid and compete with other states to get? Why doesn't the government make it available to all states equally and at the same cost. Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer.

 

[Jean-s]

And yet here are the results for the U.S. against those liberal utopian countries that the left wants us to emulate. Every country is measured the same way, Cases, deaths and percentage. Death percentages change daily as well but as you can see the U.S. because of its population vs. those European countries has the highest number of cases thus infections but with the exception of Germany continues to generate better results than all those European countries with Universal Healthcare. Let's face it, the Democrats believe they benefit from an economy shutdown, high unemployment which they believe will drive people to Biden.

5/19/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1558631 92259 5.9%

Spain 278188 27778 10.0%

Italy 226699 32169 14.2%

England 268818 35341 13.1%

France 143427 28022 19.5%

Netherlands 44447 5748 12.9%

Canada 79112 5912 7.5%

Germany 177827 8193 4.6%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

Your link does not support the list of countries you present in your post nor does your anti-Democrat Party shed any light on the topic.

 

[Conservative]

Your link does not support the list of countries you present in your post nor does your anti-Democrat Party shed any light on the topic.

Really? So tell me exactly why you make that claim? What exactly doesn't my link support? The U.S. death rate lower than most of Europe? Europe doesn't have universal healthcare? sounds like typical liberal projection to me, claims with no substance

 

[Metric Mouse]

If you are going to be factual, using the same chart I supplied above, you will notice that we did not report cases because of a lack of testing until the 3rd week of March, a full 2 months after the first reported case of infection in the United States the third week of January.

That is 2 months of the country (because of the president) not doing anything. It is fact that the best way to control the virus is by testing and putting those infected into quarentine. We did not do that because Trump pooh-poohed the virus.

Comparing to other countries and their results does not make Trump's response a good one. We are not in a contest of who did the best. We are in a life and death situation where even one unnecessary death is one too much. We are supposed to be the #1 country in the world as far as pandemic response and we failed to be the best at the response we had. It is all on Trump and many of the deaths are his fault.

If you think 1 death is too many, you're going to have a hard time living in the real world where governors of some states willingly injected their citizens with fish tank cleaner to see if it would help fight a human coronavirus, and politicians encouraged people to attend parades and gatherings even after the United States had begun closing borders. There's plenty more deaths that will be occurring, and nothing anyone has done has stopped deaths from occurring.

 

[Metric Mouse]

That's a bold prediction. There's almost no chance that's going to happen.

I hope I'm wrong! But as we cross the 100k mark with no end in sight, I don't see how this magically goes away with less than 1 million casualties in the United States.

 

[American]

I want to make everyone aware of a graph regarding the Corona Virus infections per day and what happened yesterday when the country basically "reopened"

I was actually shocked given that most Trump supporters are saying that reopening is the right thing to do given that the virus has plateaued. This graph states the opposite.

This graph is of the daily infection cases per day up to yesterday. Please note the spike up to new highs of infections yesterday.

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I think you should stay home.

 

[Conservative]

If you think 1 death is too many, you're going to have a hard time living in the real world where governors of some states willingly injected their citizens with fish tank cleaner to see if it would help fight a human coronavirus, and politicians encouraged people to attend parades and gatherings even after the United States had begun closing borders. There's plenty more deaths that will be occurring, and nothing anyone has done has stopped deaths from occurring.

What stops the CV is personal responsibility and personal actions. Logic and common sense not a gov't bureaucrat has led me to making the decision on social distancing. I am going out in a reopened TX but doing it with caution and extra care. Practicing social distancing doesn't require state and local mandates, it requires people taking responsibility for their own actions

 

[Luckyone]

the data I posted is current and the link is posted. Blaming Trump for his reaction defies history, logic and common sense. You wanted more testing, you wanted more rhetoric, you want to divert from state and local responsibilities. This is nothing more than anti Trump and revisionist history, testing wasn't the answer, social distancing was and Trump didn't have the authority to enact that policy.

Tell us exactly what Trump should have done and when since you seem to believe he was incompetent? I see this as nothing more than partisan rhetoric ignoring that testing couldn't have prevented the virus from getting to this country and testing isn't something that can be forced on the American people.

Life and death in this issue rests with personal responsibility not placing blame on someone else.

I totally disagree with your statement (bolded part). First of all, Germany was not able to impose social distancing either but they started testing the week after the first case was reported (we started 9 weeks after) and their results are hugely better than ours. Secondly, Trump did not start to do anything about the virus for 9 weeks, meaning we were not prepared to address all the needs needed to prevent as many deaths as could be prevented. In addition, the states all had to get into a bidding war with each other for supplies, testing kits, masks and other things that were needed. All of those should have been supplied at the same cost to each state without bidding wars going on. Cuomo clearly stated on one of his briefings that he has to pay $8 for a $.70 cent mask. That is Trump's fault entirely. This virus should not be a capitalistic opportunity.

In addition, we are supposed to be the #1 country in the world as far as being prepared for a pandemic and we have not proven that to be true. Even testing kits had to be purchased from other countries. That is unforgivable given that we were (and continue to be) short the amount of testing kits needed.

Trump's incompetence made us get down to levels that are found in other countries. We were (and are not) number #1 because of it.

 

[longview]

Nothing wrong with your facts but then again, why did we not begin testing until 2 weeks after the first case was reported? In South Korea and Germany they began testing 1-2 weeks after the first case was reported. Why did we wait 9 weeks to begin testing? Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer.

In addition, our testing was not good at the beginning and it was dependent of us buying testing kits from other countries. Why weren't we prepared to do our own testing? Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer. Why are we making testing something the states have to bid and compete with other states to get? Why doesn't the government make it available to all states equally and at the same cost. Trump, Trump, Trump is the answer.

Subtle logic problem! How did we determine that we had a case of Covid-19, without testing for Covid-19?

why did we not begin testing until 2 weeks after the first case was reported?

There is a good write up on the issues involved in starting Covid-19 testing in the US.
Coronavirus Testing Delays in the United States: What Happened? | The Pew Charitable Trusts

But from the early stages of the outbreak in the U.S., a number of obstacles—including delays in the development of test kits, critical supply shortages, and unclear guidelines on whom to test—have contributed to ongoing testing shortfalls.

It looks like the Delays were mostly from our own bureaucracy, FDA and CDC, and very little to do with Trump.
It was likely a bit of arrogance on our part, that they felt that test kits from other countries were not good enough and choose to develop our own.

 

[Jean-s]

Really? So tell me exactly why you make that claim? What exactly doesn't my link support? The U.S. death rate lower than most of Europe? Europe doesn't have universal healthcare? sounds like typical liberal projection to me, claims with no substance

Your link is as bogus. It shows only U.S. data with no mention of other countries.