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kal-el said:Ohh, the teaching itself isn't intelligent, or even the usage. But for a few to possibly come up with so called "teachings" to condition the masses, is in itself, nothing short of amazing. The promise of immortality is indeed highly attractive, not to mention the assertion that we have souls that escape from our bodies after death, disuades our prideful egos.
aps said:How is it possible that very intelligent people can be so easily manipulated by religion? I just don't get it.
ngdawg said:Two reasons:
1) everyone wants to believe that if they do good things, they will be rewarded. Why do anything if there's no pay-off?(even if you consider happiness a pay-off)
2) no one wants to think that when they die, that's it. gotta be more...I can't just rot like a leaf, right?
OK, just thought of a third reason:
3) justification. 'God' told me. 'God' has the power. If 'God' wants it to be so, it will be so.
kal-el said:For the very reasons ngdawg stated. It dosen't take a great mind to be scared to die; hence the idea of an afterlife can be very promising. In my experience, Bible-thumpers seem to be very intelligent, reasonable, logical thinking people, except when it comes to the bible.
aps said:I totally agree. While I don't believe in God, I don't need him to make me be a decent person. I am absolutely fine with knowing that when I die, it's caput.
kal-el said:Yes, exactly. I think, being is there is no definite guarantee of an afterlife, we should all strive to make the most out of our lives, we might just end up being roadkill when we die.
aps said:You and I almost always agree.
kal-el said:What do you guys think? I would think that anything that has the means to control the masses via fictional stories, is anything but dumb. For someone to come up with these stories in order to suffice our pride, and that we were meant for something greater is pure genious!
CaliNORML said:Does this definition of religion include the mass media today as well?
Watching the BBC and other world news sources I see a huge spin on the stories as reported by strictly American media and how they are reported by the other countries.
Fiction? Probably on the line but truly slanted none the less. Slanted to the American Pride point of view and how they want us to pridefully view the rest of the world.
kal-el said:Negative. Point out in my post where you seen the word "mass media".
I only saw religion in the topic, not the definition
I read the title and your claims that "Anything" that can be used to create a feeling of pride and used to control people is intelligent.
Uhh, we're not talking about politics here. Try reading the title of the tread.
Isn't the majority of religion political? I did read this thread and religion is contained the header, however the way you described it, it also fits the mass media.
Slanted? So you think the parting of the Red Sea was an actual event? Jonah being swallowed by a great fish really happened? A talking donkey? I guess this could seem non-fictional to someone if they have the ability to think themself through a corkscrew without twisting, of course, then you will think it's a reasonable explanation.
CaliNORML said:I never said I believed these "stories" as such physical happenings. I am happy to see the abstract behind the actions that run in the same lines of all the stories through time, even way before religion was changed. I find the meaning and the lessons the stories contained within a metaphorical field, not a physical one.
Yet America believes the President when he puts his spin on a tale. The same way one faction believes they can wage a Holy War and have the right to rule over others through a simple tale.
Are stories slanted in our own media as baseless as they are in religion? Yes. Do these stories affect the way we view others and our world? Yes. Are they all totally true? No. That is the same mind set being created.
If the two were compared I would have to say politicians tell whoppers as big as that of Joanah.
Isn't this what you said was so intelligent about religion? The ability to use a story to control the masses for the tellers own ends?
KMS
CaliNORML said:Thanks for the giggle, I needed that. WMD was a whopper to be sure, bigger than that whale who swallowed Jonah I bet.
I appreciate the ear, and understand that most of the political direction the world is now turning seems to be "Faith" based. There are new programs being implimened with political directions and financing in the cases of abortion rights, learning disabilities, even run away children and the foster care system is moving towards more to religious views. I am still trying to figure out just who made this faith, as it is not mine to be sure.
What scares me is that this religious interpretation is being made government policy to restrict freedoms of citizens in America today. The media is geared to showing us that this is a great thing. The control has gone from mere words in stories to actions directly effecting us today, and the majority of people it seems believe it to be a wonderfull thing.
We no longer have the right to say if we believe in what is happening or not, it is becoming law. No longer ruled by only our beliefs, which are then turned into actions; actions of some form of belief are being pressed upon us, all from the view of a "Faith." These policies have effectively gained control over us all, whether we like it or not based on spiritual principals.
The control of the masses is helped through the media to gain this "faith based" foothold in our society, and it is almost enough to shake my own personal faith of humanity in the process.
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