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Records reveal Palin's push for earmarks

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Another blog.
 
This is not surprising at all. Very few politicians really have any interest in hammering earmarks. Nor will they ever. Tom Coburn is one of only a few.

This whole facade being built around Palin is just so much "Washington." Really, nothing we find about any candidate in this race should shock anyone. She is as big a liar as all the others.

Even now the McCain camp is using her to soften their completely undeliverable stance on earmark reform by issuing statements to the effect of her not being against all earmarks, just pork. No ****? So why all the blabbering about "reform" and junk? I always laugh when I hear that McCain line of "you will know their names, I will make them famous!"

Go **** yourself John, you are a business as usual candidate just like Obama and Biden. Palin is no different.

Washington runs Washington. This is a mixed capitalist society where the free market dictates politics. Any starry eyed kids who actually believe in any possibility of true earmark reform are naive. I have had several years of immersion in this world of earmark money and political motivations. They will never go away. Not ever. The only people who can make that happen are the people who benefit from them. Don't hold your breath.

Not if McCain and Palin had wonder twin powers could they deliver on this bull**** promise.
 
I see...so Palin and McCain cannot campaign against earmarks and earmark reform because as a local Mayor Palin requested federal funding assistance for infrastructure improvements?

Do you epople really think that requesting federal monies already appropriated to assist locals with water and sewer projects is the equivalent of requesting federal dollars for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, corn museums in Iowa, etc.?

Ok, I guess....:doh
 
I'm waiting. Did you have a point?

My mistake. It was harbor seals.

According to a “summary of requests for federal appropriations” posted to her budget office’s website earlier this year, Palin requested millions of federal dollars for everything from improving recreational halibut fishing to studying the mating habits of crabs and the DNA of harbor seals.
 


You're testing my patience.

What is your point?
 
Owned. :lol:

I'm not sure I get this. As a mayor or even Governor, Palin was acting on the behalf of her constituents. As a VP candidate she's now running on platform of earmark reform at the federal level becuase earmarks for so long have been essentially last-minute, secret insertions into budget bills.

I don't see the conflict. Especially if the earmarks she was requesting were for federal dollars already appropriated for research, infrastructure, etc. Especially if the earmark requests were not of the sort secretly inserted into budget bills at the eleventh hour after conference.

Someone is going to have to make the case here. Simply noting that she requested earmarks as a local Mayor or State Governor is not in conflict with running on a campaign proposing to reform the earmark process.
 

Palin and McCain can campaign all they want...they can lie all they want...they can make promises they can't deliver all they want. Just like Obama and Biden can. If Palin were a true anti-earmark candidate she would have not accepted earmarks for her city nor signed off on any requests proposed by her administration members. Earmarks are requested. I don't know if you really know how earmarks are given to cities, but it is done through local and state requests to federal delegates. No other way. Earmarks for home state initiatives are very specific and don't just happen. They are deliberate acts in response to state and local requests.
 
If Palin were a true anti-earmark candidate she would have not accepted earmarks for her city.

She was a Mayor. Why would she turn them down as a local representative. I don't see how not caring about federal earmark reform while as a local Mayor makes her a hypocrite now.

As well, why are you not applauding the fact that she's on the right side of this issue?

Unless you're for continued earmark abuse...

Earmarks are requested. I don't know if you really know how earmarks are given to cities, but it is done through local and state requests to federal delegates. No other way.

Thanks for the civics lesson. :roll:

Earmarks for home state initiatives are very specific and don't just happen. They are deliberate acts in response to state and local requests.

Ya think?
 
I don't see the conflict.

You can't build a political career which showcases, as a central support, your ability to score earmarks for your constituents and then turn around and honestly decry the process of earmarking.

It's really very simple.
 
BTW, it seems to me that once again the Democrats are revealing that the greatest moral failing, the worst sort of behavior is...hypocrisy. That's why they condemned Bennett, Limbaugh, Packwood, Foley and yet do not condemn their own (Gerry Studds) for similar moral failings. Studds and others weren't being hypocritical so their behavior went uncriticized.

You'd think they'd be with Palin about reforming earmarks given how many earmarks benefit private firms. But nope, they condemn her because as Mayor she accepted earmark dollars.

The same with the Bridge to Nowhere. She got no credit for making what was ultimately the right decision. Instead, she was condemned for her hypocrisy in being for it before being against it.

Notice how Democrats didn't run that criticism when Kerry used it to defend his Iraq funding votes...perhaps Democrats just expect their politicians to lie.
 
You can't build a political career which showcases, as a central support, your ability to score earmarks for your constituents and then turn around and honestly decry the process of earmarking.

It's really very simple.


You're stealing an intellectual base.

You're gonna have to establish as fact that Palin attempted to build her political career on the back of earmarks.

Sorry, but conjecture just doesn't cut it.
 


Whose hypocrisy is being revealed. You might want to reassess.
 
She was a Mayor. Why would she turn them down as a local representative. I don't see how not caring about federal earmark reform while as a local Mayor makes her a hypocrite now.
Because requesting and accepting earmarks proliferate the practice. Get it? That's why, if she was truly anti-earmark, she would have never requested nor accepted earmark money...period. Or at least stopped at some point in her career as an actual functioning elected representative of her people. Like Tom Coburn. Not as a rhetoric flinging nominee on the Presidential ticket. She didn't care about earmark reform as a governor. She kept the money earmarked for the bridge, it was used elsewhere in the state. She is no anti-earmark maverick. So yes, it makes her a hypocrite right now.
As well, why are you not applauding the fact that she's on the right side of this issue?
Because it's utter bull****. She is no more earmark reform minded than McCain claims to be. She is making promises so grandiose that there is no way she could possibly deliver on them. She knows this. Bush tried the same crap. Guess what, he signed the bills. Why? Congress controls the money, not the President or...lol...the Vice President. They forced his hand...just as they will McLame and Wilderness Barbie. She and McCain will go along, like Bush did, and when challenged will blame Congress.
Unless you're for continued earmark abuse...
No I'm not. But I am a realist. I don't know what you do for a living, but I actually work in the world of earmarks and governmental policy on appropriating money for state and local governments. I work directly with the delegates staff that do this. Your comments give me no reason to believe you work in this area or have much in the way of realistic experience in how this process works or what motivates it.

Thanks for the civics lesson. :roll:
You needed it.


Ya think?
Yes I do.
 
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You're stealing an intellectual base.

You're gonna have to establish as fact that Palin attempted to build her political career on the back of earmarks.

Sorry, but conjecture just doesn't cut it.

You truly have no understanding of the role of appropriating in politics.
 
You truly have no understanding of the role of appropriating in politics.


Huh?

I note that before someone can assert that Palin centered her political career on successfully getting earmarks that it must first be demonstrated that this, in fact, was the case...and that demonstrates that I don't understand appropriations?

Okay, it's clear that you don't understand the appropriations process. I say that because you posted, "appropriating in politics".

You see, unlike you I understand that there two budgeting processes - authorizations and appropriations. Authorizations are simply the legislature authorizing the expenditure of dollars for something. Appropriations are the legislative bills actually expending a set amount of dollars.

Appropriating in politics? LOL!!! Appropriating is a legislative function.
 
Because requesting and accepting earmarks proliferate the practice. Get it?

Yeah, yeah, this begets that which begets this, etc. Yeah, okay. How this addresses my comment that as Mayor and Governor she wouldn't give a **** about federal earmark reform is beyond me.

That's why, if she was truly anti-earmark, she would have never requested nor accepted earmark money...period.

I see, a person can never come to oppose earmarks unless they've opposed earmarks forever...got it... :roll:

Because it's utter bull****. She is no more earmark reform minded than McCain claims to be.

:shock:

No I'm not. But I am a realist. I don't know what you do for a living, but I actually work in the world of earmarks and governmental policy on appropriating money for state and local governments.

Then wtf are you doing here on the government's dime?

I work directly with the delegates staff that do this. Your comments give me no reason to believe you work in this area or have much in the way of realistic experience in how this process works or what motivates it.

We're not talking about the earmarking process no matter how much you want to. We're talking about whether Palin is being hypocritical and whether her advocacy for earmark reform is legitimate.

I don't see why she's being hypocritical for the reasons stated.

Given McCain's year-after-year-after-year efforts to expose abuse of earmarks and Palin's ability to take on her own party's leaders, I think their promise to tackle the earmark process is a legit one.

You have...she's being hypocritical.

Even if she is...so what? She's on the right side of this issue.

BTW - isn't Obama also campaigning on reforming the earmarking process? But he, too, requested earmarks. Your take?
 
You're stealing an intellectual base.

You're gonna have to establish as fact that Palin attempted to build her political career on the back of earmarks.

Sorry, but conjecture just doesn't cut it.

Palin's earmark request this year - Los Angeles Times

Nation & World | Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state | Seattle Times Newspaper

Fact Check: McCain misstates Palin earmarks record - Boston.com

She got so hot on scoring earmarks for those she represented she hired a consultant to enhance her results.

Enjoy your self-ownage. :lol:
 
All this talk about Palin pushing for earmarks when the only ones that can submit them in a bill are Senators so it really does not matter.....
 

:naughty

Don't try to outthink me on this. You will hurt yourself. The final act of appropriating the money is the political ROI, Einstein. The appropriation is how the delegate delivers the goods to his constituents as well as the lobbyists who helped support his campaign. It's how he can say "look what I've done." Appropriations are a political tool.

Again, evidence you really don't know what you are talking about.
 
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