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Real economic lessons the US can teach the planet from our history

Craig234

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There's a popular view, childish and wrong - 'the US is just the best. That's why we've become the most powerful economic power in the world. We have capitalism, others have communism or compromised capitalism. Our system, our workers, are just better than theirs.'

Here's a more accurate list of some economic lessons the US can vouch for.

- Taking land by genocide and force works. Not all our land has come that way, but most has - the genocide of the natives, the war on Mexico taking half of their country. That's what has actually worked for us to get land. We did also 'buy' colonized land from France, which indirectly had also been taken by force.

- Slave labor works to build a country's wealth. Whether actual slavery, or low wage labor - including over ten million undocumented people as our hotel staff, meat packers, food gatherers, and many more labor positions, or second-class black workers for a century after the civil war, the US's prosperity has largely come from such 'cheap labor'.

- Economic colonization works. Taking the wealth from other, weaker countries by controlling their governments to give us what they have cheaply has worked. Examples are too numerous to list - from the United Fruit Company in Latin America to copper in Chile to oil from countries like Iran and Venezuela until 1980 and 2000 respectively, see 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man' for some idea.

For some times after WWII, as much of the world was recovering, the US had a pre-eminent role, developing industries in technology, entertainment, and more that led the world.

But some things we've shown don't work so well. Those include that the US doesn't compete that well on an equal footing, including with more repressive systems with their own cheaper labor.

The US has gone to importing most of its products, and enjoying a 'consumer splurge' as it sees its public and private debt skyrocket to unseen levels, transferring its saved wealth to others and adding a crippling amount of debt we also give them, not investing in our own infrastructure's maintenance much less adding more.

China is poised to surpass the US economically, as it already makes more billionaires than the US, and has strategically chosen to become the world leader in the next century's key technologies, from green energy to quantum computing to global investment in other countries such as those in Africa.

The US has moved from a global leader for democracy to a global example of how it can't keep its own democracy functioning, with massive corruption, propaganda systems, and powerful interests who keep power with voter suppression - not to mention our election of a would-be dictator who was on the side of dictators over democracy, leading to a domestic insurrection and who has still not admitted defeat in an election.

Our current lessons on economics are that our system does not work, as our only power left is military, giving us the choice to be a military tyrant taking from others by force or a greatly weakened power in the world as China and its growing allies grow to lead the world.

And what is behind this weakening? I'd suggest plutocracy has greatly weakened the US, draining over $50 trillion from the American people to be invested in our economy and strengthening the country from investment in industries and education and infrastructure, to instead simply create a group of the monstrously wealthy who use our political system for their own benefit.

But that plutocracy has 'killed the golden goose'.

The American ideal - where the country can be successful and everyone can have a reasonable share of the wealth and democracy can function, something we call 'the American dream' - is something we've shown we can't do, while we have the appearance of doing it somewhat, the context is that we've bought is on massive credit, and a third of our country has essentially become ignorant supporters of fascism.

Our massive debt can work for a while - but we're coming to a time where we can't begin to repay it, and - as intended by some of its initial designers from the Reagan era, in what is called 'starve the beast' - we're moving to the worst of both worlds, where we have austerity just to function, with a weakened economy, currency, and power.

The idea of Americans getting to have luxury in the world, appears unsustainable, even as environmental issues are added to economic ones about how the US needs to reduce its consumption.

Sadly, by our actions rather than our words, the lessons the US is now teaching the world are that authoritarianism and austerity, rather than the 'American dream' of egalitarianism and democracy, are the way of the future. Our words haven't changed, but our situation and what we're showing the world works and what doesn't, becoming a negative example in many ways, has.
 
I'm moving to Costa Rica!
 
Is this contagious? Will the masks be of any help?

Do we need to go into lockdown again?
 
We did also 'buy' colonized land from France, which indirectly had also been taken by force.
In your farcical attempt to paint the US as bad, you contend the above is a bad thing?

Why is it bad that the US bought land from France? And why is the US responsible for how France got the land?

Tell me...is it also bad that the US bought a big chunk of land from Russia? And then turned that land into our biggest state?

btw, which is better? Invading a country and trying to take it by force, as Iraq did to Kuwait in 1990? Or taking unsettled land by treaty and legal purchase, as the US did with the Louisiana and Alaska purchases?
 
You are right OP , to highlight this continuous downward trend which , based on historical patterns and cycles , strongly suggests that America's period of pole position is over .
Basic strategy of Never Ending Wars has heaped dislike and antagonism everywhere , and economic fantasy --- the stupidity of never ending imaginary money to pay for unaffordable ends -- has all but ensured impending chaos and dislocation , probably soon and certainly this year .
America had a great opportunity for continued greatness . They have been their own worst enemies .

And a country that has as its key economic strategy , Never Ending Wars , ought to be able to at least win one . Since WW2 the US has lost every time .
 
Our greatest economic shortcomings raise their ugly heads from time to time and they are mostly tied to excess. Sometimes its excessive and unwarranted speculation, such as existed leading into the Great Depression or unbridled and unregulated financial activity as we had leading into the Great Recession. This last mess can be defined as unbridled borrowing in order to salve an economic and financial wound that did not exist, that was entirely overblown. It was sort of like the utter absurdity of even suggesting that the country is simply tumbling head over heels into SOCIALISM, which of course it is not!

Giving Corporations such a large tax break in 2017 was unnecessary, ill advised and ineffective as we have not paid for it, never were going to pay for it and literally sent $700B up in smoke in the process. It was at a nominal 21% for the new rate, excessive blowing a giant hole in budgets and feeding the growing deficit in the process. Taking interest rates to 0 was equally unnecessary and ill advised as it sets us up to not have tools to use to extract ourselves from an actual financial crisis. It was once again,, excessive. Unbridled deregulation "borrows" the future from our children for short term gain and while just as with the Corp Tax cut necessary at some level what we got was once again, excessive.

As for genocide, brutality and wanton theft, we suffer a malady that has infected the world since the 17th Century anyway. The idea of the unqualified and absurdly unsupportable supremacy of THE WHITE MAN, the Protestant White Man being considered by some God's greatest gift to the universe itself, never mind something as small as a single planet. Ah-huh!!!!!
 
You are right OP , to highlight this continuous downward trend which , based on historical patterns and cycles , strongly suggests that America's period of pole position is over .
Basic strategy of Never Ending Wars has heaped dislike and antagonism everywhere , and economic fantasy --- the stupidity of never ending imaginary money to pay for unaffordable ends -- has all but ensured impending chaos and dislocation , probably soon and certainly this year .
America had a great opportunity for continued greatness . They have been their own worst enemies .

And a country that has as its key economic strategy , Never Ending Wars , ought to be able to at least win one . Since WW2 the US has lost every time .
What is ironic is that we had a President who was against Never Ending Wars...who was for trade deals in which both sides made agreements that served their own self-interest instead of fighting...and what happened to the guy? He was ousted by way of election fraud.

And what do we have in his place? A puppet who is letting his handlers take us back to the Never Ending Wars.
 
What is ironic is that we had a President who was against Never Ending Wars...who was for trade deals in which both sides made agreements that served their own self-interest instead of fighting...and what happened to the guy? He was ousted by way of election fraud.

And what do we have in his place? A puppet who is letting his handlers take us back to the Never Ending Wars.

Clearly we are in full agreement .

I may be clutching a straw , but I trust that the Military and Pentagon have now resolved differences over policy toward Israel with the Trumpets and that quite soon they intervene , believing that they have clear majority general population support .100% necessary .

Any intervention will be based on sedition and treason , as it represents outside nation interference in the election . Allied , of course , to the unbelievable level of internal corruption relating to the same event .

Without redressing these potential death blows to the Republic , America will fail and fall .

At the very minimum , trials must occur with Truth and Reconciliation programmes then aimed for . Probably unlikely but out and out Civil war would only be a guaranteed disaster for all .
 
What is ironic is that we had a President who was against Never Ending Wars...who was for trade deals in which both sides made agreements that served their own self-interest instead of fighting...and what happened to the guy? He was ousted by way of election fraud.

And what do we have in his place? A puppet who is letting his handlers take us back to the Never Ending Wars.

LOL ! Current political pecking order, in our "two party" (D & FA) system.

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Joseph R. Biden, Jr. ('46 D-DE) POTUS
Donald J. Trump ('19Q '45 FA-FL, RU) ANTIFA, in exile
 
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The fact that one even compares The United States with a country that has over 4 times the population and a larger landmass just speaks volumes to how successful it is as a country.

In other news, the United States has a bigger economy than Germany! Germany must therefore have lost all relevance on the planet...

Lawl.
 
The fact that one even compares The United States with a country that has over 4 times the population and a larger landmass just speaks volumes to how successful it is as a country.

In other news, the United States has a bigger economy than Germany! Germany must therefore have lost all relevance on the planet...

Lawl.
Never knock Germany . It was their technical superiority that gave the US its great chance postWW2
just a shame the US confused might with right and bad from good .
 
Never knock Germany . It was their technical superiority that gave the US its great chance postWW2
just a shame the US confused might with right and bad from good .
That's the point. Germany still has a place in the world, despite it's small population and diminutive economy. Clearly the United States, as the world's foremost military power, single largest economy, second largest manufacturing base, global currency holder and guarantor of global free trade is still going to be a world leader, even if someday in the future a massively larger country has a slightly larger economy.
 
We may be witness in these internet days to a 'trickle down' effect in historical understanding. The United States of America may well be exceptional in some respects but that term -- exceptional -- should not be a blanket endorsement. There's still much very hard work to be done to make this country '... a more perfect union ...'. Slowly, more people beside our historians are coming to realize this, despite the blandishments bruited about.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Thumbs up to Craig234 in general ......."and a third of our country has essentially become ignorant supporters of fascism" meet ALEC. ALEC paints a populist picture on the campaign trail per Aegis Strategic http://www.motherjones.com/politics...candidate-training-recruiting-aegis-strategic .

Off shore banking, outsourcing USA labor to China and others complete with preferential tax codes = new world order Wreckanomics. Borrowing to cover tax breaks instead of borrowing to invest in pay back projects which create employment that keeps USA dollars in the USA is a tax dollar money hole. NEVER believe Free Trade deals are free as Free Trade ships USA jobs abroad which spells economic disaster for many local economies.

Austerity that which pulls money out of the economy is not an investment it is a liability.

On another side comes the covid economic investment project as good because the money is going directly back into the economy quickly thus jobs remain alive, some economic growth takes place and could save the USA from another home loan fiasco in the long term which would be awesome. This tax dollar spending also generates tax revenues across the board.

Thus the covid economic investment project becomes a wise investment whereas tax breaks for the few have become a liability aka Supply Side Wreckanomics. More of these covid economic investment projects will be necessary to save the USA economy which IS a wise investment. People need to be working and the world of small business needs to be saved because of the huge numbers it employs.

I enjoy working because of the social interaction which maintains my sanity.
 
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Who will actually gets a $1400.00 check/deposit this time, and how many have to actually (in reality) settle for income credit? Credit doesn't give the immediate boost to the economy.
 
There's a popular view, childish and wrong - 'the US is just the best. That's why we've become the most powerful economic power in the world. We have capitalism, others have communism or compromised capitalism. Our system, our workers, are just better than theirs....
Thanks for a good and interesting post. But I think you are forgetting some things that has led to the domination off the US economy.

After WW2 Europe has actively supported the domination off the US and thereby enabled US to taking the wealth and , secure resources from other, weaker countries by controlling their governments, finance guerrillas(for example in south America) and through war. Europe and US together is the strongest force and for countries like Russia and China the biggest obstacle. The reason for the EU support has been to keep China and Russia and for that matter other totalitarian powers at bay.

War: Wars has not been about some noble thought about helping the people to get rid off dictators, there are enough dictators and regimes that has been/are supported by the US to tell you that. Your support off Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are some examples. The United States, in combination with the IMF, offers aid to countries after the fall of despots by, among other things, granting loans, but in return demands that the countries change their ways and face extreme privatization. This leads to the opportunity for international (often US-based) companies to establish themselves in the market and give the US access to natural resources. In the wake of privatization, the countries are suffering from unemployment and poor situations.

Let’s take Iraq as an example.
The US installation off an obeying government has made the US also in control over the Ministry of Petroleum who approved which companies that should be contracted to refining and finishing the oil. This has off course led to that those companies are mostly US based. The continues resistance for the government in Iraq is very much due to that the government approved the scandalous sale of Iraqi property enforced by Bush (to his own friends!).

The steeling of Intangible assets such as inventions: While China do their steeling through mostly cyber theft and through copying other trademarks, US do it through your patent system and your courts. Patents in other countries, all over the world, is picked up and entered into the US system by US companies as soon as the inventor has filed for it (and described the technical characteristics) in his/hers/theirs home country. The pantents are filed into the US system as an invention made by the US company. Some inventors do off course challenge the US companies claims, but the US court always rules in favor off the American company, big or smal (Swedish example I can think off is the GPS system) This way the inventors are prevented from getting financing and from building their own company and thereby from using their own patent in their home country. EU has not challenged or helped their own inventors since EU has considered that a strong US is in it’s favor and worth the price.



So, al this talk about war being bad for the US and that Trump was a good president when he handed the control of Syria over to Russia and Turkey and that he on the same time was good for the US economy (putting an edge between the US and EU and wanting to isolate US from the rest of the world) is a hole lot off horse….
 
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