RE: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001 [W:241:846]

[Menard_K]

RE: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001 [W:241:846]

In the story "the emperor's new clothes"
people are told that if one is unworthy of the station one holds, then they
can not see the magical garment that the emperor is wearing.


OK, now in the case of the events of 9/11/2001
"Scientific" papers come out that have pages & pages of numbers
that to most people ( even many who have earned degrees, but
not is the specialization of calculus .. & whotnot )
are incomprehensible, however this pages of numbers allege
to prove that the twin towers could have done nothing other than
"collapse" in the manner observed on that day.

Many people, ( specially the EDUCATED ones )
are loath to admit that the pages of numbers are bewildering
and so go along with the authority and give their agreement to
something that they have convinced themselves must be right
because these specific academics allegedly have no motivation to
commit fraud.

HOWEVER, I believe that for all too many employed professionals
& professors (etc...) they have a perceived vested interest in
not rocking the boat, and to publish something that would be
contrary to the official account of the 19 suicidal Arabs .....

What we have here is clearly a re-run of the "emperor's new clothes"

& My interest in all this is parallel to the bit in Star Trek
where Spock plays chess with the ships computer and wins a game
and from that he KNOWS that the ships computer has been tampered with.
This is critical because data in the ships computer is about to get Kirk court-marshaled.

People speak of the FABRIC of civilization and I believe that pulling one thread
can distort the fabric so that its function becomes impaired. The pulling of that
one thread was the LIE of 9/11/2001

Lets stop the lies. Please bust the emperor for indecent exposure.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

I say Bravo! Happy to see Mr. Spock's method being entered into the discussion. :mrgreen:

Spock had it going on!

 

[SanderO]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

What you seem to not understand is that historical events are exploited by "special interests" all the time because they are trying to advance their agenda. The elite want to be more elite.. the rich richer... the arms makers more bloated weapons procurement contracts, the politicians more time doing noting but getting bribes and so forth.

The USA Empire's behavior around the world has been largely driven by the greed of a relative few... and the hunger for power by the jerks in the military and the national security state... who get to break laws and not pay the price or just not have to follow the law. But the Empire has made a lot of people around the world and even here at home pissed off.

People don't like to be pissed of and abused. If you do it do much they kick back. You can bank on that.

And when they do... it's just another opportunity to demonstrate what creeps these people are and the Empire needs to up their game. For those who think there is no terrorism, no blow back... no insurgencies and that the oppressed can't do a thing... get a clue.

This is not a open society which follows law and practices what the constitution preaches. It's ruse. A ruse for people to get on with their selfish needs if they are able to.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

HOWEVER, I believe that for all too many employed professionals
& professors (etc...) they have a perceived vested interest in
not rocking the boat, and to publish something that would be
contrary to the official account of the 19 suicidal Arabs .....

What we have here is clearly a re-run of the "emperor's new clothes"

& My interest in all this is parallel to the bit in Star Trek
where Spock plays chess with the ships computer and wins a game
and from that he KNOWS that the ships computer has been tampered with.
This is critical because data in the ships computer is about to get Kirk court-marshaled.

Wow, an episode of a TV show over 35 years old proves that 9-11 was all a conspiracy. I guess the fact that Tom Clancey wrote about it also proves that it was a conspiracy.

And oh goodness yes, everybody knows that we have never had a single instance of an attack by suicidal people, especially "Arabs".

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

and the same can be said for those who support Controlled Demolition.
So called "scientific papers" show thermite.
so called engineering papers, show calculation that it had to be controlled demolition.
Those who are staking a claim of controlled demolition also have a vested interest in holding that line.
So on it goes.

My take, everything that was stated in the OP, can and does apply to CT regarding 911.


The idea that only the govt. is trying to fool the "people" is not justified. There are those on the conspiracy side that does the same thing. Why no mention on that?

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

and the same can be said for those who support Controlled Demolition.
So called "scientific papers" show thermite.
so called engineering papers, show calculation that it had to be controlled demolition.
Those who are staking a claim of controlled demolition also have a vested interest in holding that line.
So on it goes.

My take, everything that was stated in the OP, can and does apply to CT regarding 911.


The idea that only the govt. is trying to fool the "people" is not justified. There are those on the conspiracy side that does the same thing. Why no mention on that?

Naw Mike, and it's just a conspiracy theory that the government is gathering megadata from the telecoms or that Prism is real. :lamo

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Naw Mike, and it's just a conspiracy theory that the government is gathering megadata from the telecoms or that Prism is real. :lamo

Yet, you did not dismiss the CT has done a number on 911. So I will accept your non answer as yes CT people have done what I posted.

As far as your response, What CT, it is a fact that PRISM exists?

It is interesting how you dodge the main point of my post and bring up PRISM.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

As far as your response, What CT, it is a fact that PRISM exists?

It is interesting how you dodge the main point of my post and bring up PRISM.

Which in itself should prove something in and of itself. Specifically, how well our Government can keep secrets.

They can't.

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Which in itself should prove something in and of itself. Specifically, how well our Government can keep secrets.

They can't.

Even B. Franklin knew:
"
Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

& My interest in all this is parallel to the bit in Star Trek
where Spock plays chess with the ships computer and wins a game
and from that he KNOWS that the ships computer has been tampered with.
This is critical because data in the ships computer is about to get Kirk court-marshaled.

People speak of the FABRIC of civilization and I believe that pulling one thread
can distort the fabric so that its function becomes impaired. The pulling of that
one thread was the LIE of 9/11/2001

Those are interesting statements in a couple of ways.

One idea that comes across from reading a lot of science fiction is that physics works the same way all over the galaxy. Intelligent aliens may develop some technology before or after humans but the physics it is based on is the same everywhere.

So that makes 9/11 a global issue. It is not just a lie to Americans. So what is going on with physicists and engineers in other nations. But how can any of them say this is simple and easy to understand after nearly 12 years?

Do Europeans tell everybody how physics works because Newton was a Brit? Is every country supposed to have its own fabric of physics? After this much time wouldn't foreign governments have to go along with any lie? Are politicians everywhere to dumb to handle 300 year old physics.

psik

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Which in itself should prove something in and of itself. Specifically, how well our Government can keep secrets.

They can't.

Precisely!

And try as they may, they have not kept the secret that 911 was staged. Everybody knows about it--good heavens that's what we're discussing here.

True, a certain part of the populace cannot admit it to themselves, but that is simply a dissonant condition, fairly common in the species.

The secret is out, and has been for a fairly long period of time. I understand that no official mouthpiece will admit that, just as it would not admit that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire, but the secret was blown fairly quickly.

It took me 4 years to figure it out, but that's just because I'm a bit slow. Better late than never, eh?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Just me again, I thought I'd put this here .... good as any place.

Item: In the old USSR, it was common knowledge that Pravda was simply spewing propaganda.
& I believe that was a factor in the general dissatisfaction of the rank & file workers, who eventually
said as much as "WE B MAD AS HELL & WE WILL NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE"
AMERICA could be headed for much the same situation of we start challenging the status quo.

also: if I may - another run at the explanation as to what is WRONG with the "crash"
of "FLT175" Yes the aircraft ( if indeed it was an aircraft ) having mass and speed, has kinetic energy.
So, think of this Kinetic energy as a bank account and in order to do work, there must be withdraws,
from this account, the argument comes from the magnitude of the withdraws required.
My take on this is that the "aircraft" would expend a significant amount from that account
just in the initial penetration, and then at the time that the wings get involved, much more
withdraws happening and so on, with the additional factor that because the aircraft is being
shredded in the process, the part of the aircraft not yet shredded has less mass and therefore
less kinetic energy, so that by the time its just the tail left to enter the building, would there
be enough energy to ensure that it not only made it in the building but made it far enough inside
to not be visible from the outside. The argument for the aircraft to have taken less than 0.40 sec
to penetrate & disappear inside the building must be based on the idea that the wall had resistance
much closer to paper than anything else. Personally I'm not buyin' it .... not at all.

Look at any of the mainstream media's DVD documentaries on the subject where the video
showing the south wall of the south tower is being hit by "FLT175" You can step through it
frame by frame on most DVD players and look for yourself.

This + the building "collapses" and the way that the MSM has treated dissent
adds up to a PREPONDERANCE of EVIDENCE that points to FALSE FLAG ATTACK.

Discussion, Debate, or? .....

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Just me again, I thought I'd put this here .... good as any place.

Item: In the old USSR, it was common knowledge that Pravda was simply spewing propaganda.
& I believe that was a factor in the general dissatisfaction of the rank & file workers, who eventually
said as much as "WE B MAD AS HELL & WE WILL NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE"

Wow, really? Were you even alive during the August Coup? Because I remember it very clearly, and it is obvious from reading that that you have absolutely no idea what people living in the Soviet Union thought, or why and how it collapsed.

That posting is not even bad propaganda, it is pure coprolite.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

dood, so enlighten me already - what did happen in the old USSR?

Please ...

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

dood, so enlighten me already - what did happen in the old USSR?

Please ...

Well, covered already as you know, here is a snapshot view from somebody who was watching closely when it happened.

In short, Premiere Gorbachev had been involved in Perestroika, trying to reform the Soviet Union and make it less oppressive and more open. He had already allowed the East Germans to leave and the Berlin Wall to fall, and the hardliners (especially in the KGB and hardline Communists) were getting nervous. So in August 1991 they announced that Premiere Gorbachev was ill, had disavowed his reforms, and was stepping down. They then rolled tanks into Moscow and tried to seize power.

However, "Gorby" was very popular because of his reforms, and the people refused to just take it lightly. A politician who was barely known named Boris Yeltsin actually rushed to the Kremlin, got up on top of a tank, and urged the military to not follow the orders of their leaders, and for people to simply peacefully protest and not attack the military. After 2 days the coup leaders were arrested or fled, and the Soviet Union started to crumble. Eventually Gorbachev resigned his position, and Boris Yeltsin became the first President of the Russian Federation.

Your claim of "propaganda" had little to do with it. By this time, Pravda had a competitor, fax machines. There were hundreds of "underground newspapers" in the Soviet Union, all spread by the new technology of fax machines. So while the coup leaders had taken over the Soviet news agencies, the information of what was really going on was already spreading through unofficial channels. The fall of the USSR had nothing to do with Pravda, it was about the hardliners not realizing their time was done and trying to stage a coup that was doomed to fail.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Well, covered already as you know, here is a snapshot view from somebody who was watching closely when it happened.

In short, Premiere Gorbachev had been involved in Perestroika, trying to reform the Soviet Union and make it less oppressive and more open. He had already allowed the East Germans to leave and the Berlin Wall to fall, and the hardliners (especially in the KGB and hardline Communists) were getting nervous. So in August 1991 they announced that Premiere Gorbachev was ill, had disavowed his reforms, and was stepping down. They then rolled tanks into Moscow and tried to seize power.

However, "Gorby" was very popular because of his reforms, and the people refused to just take it lightly. A politician who was barely known named Boris Yeltsin actually rushed to the Kremlin, got up on top of a tank, and urged the military to not follow the orders of their leaders, and for people to simply peacefully protest and not attack the military. After 2 days the coup leaders were arrested or fled, and the Soviet Union started to crumble. Eventually Gorbachev resigned his position, and Boris Yeltsin became the first President of the Russian Federation.

Your claim of "propaganda" had little to do with it. By this time, Pravda had a competitor, fax machines. There were hundreds of "underground newspapers" in the Soviet Union, all spread by the new technology of fax machines. So while the coup leaders had taken over the Soviet news agencies, the information of what was really going on was already spreading through unofficial channels. The fall of the USSR had nothing to do with Pravda, it was about the hardliners not realizing their time was done and trying to stage a coup that was doomed to fail.

Thank You for the INFORMATION, now to address the second part of my original post.
or is that to be totally ignored because I screwed up on one bit about the old USSR.
What do you think?

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

All governments propagandize, and the majority of politicians lie for a living. Nothing really new....:lol:

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Wow, really? Were you even alive during the August Coup? Because I remember it very clearly, and it is obvious from reading that that you have absolutely no idea what people living in the Soviet Union thought, or why and how it collapsed.

That posting is not even bad propaganda, it is pure coprolite.

The fact that nobody has addressed the second part of my post speaks volumes,
just keep praising that tailor ...

whatever .....

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

The fact that nobody has addressed the second part of my post speaks volumes,
just keep praising that tailor ...

whatever .....

Maybe because you have failed to prove the plane was a CGI image.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Maybe because you have failed to prove the plane was a CGI image.

Please enlighten me as to what specific bit of my explanation may be considered a failure....

I'm here to learn, if people have a desire to change minds, then I need a bit more info
than "that was a failure"

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Please enlighten me as to what specific bit of my explanation may be considered a failure....

I'm here to learn, if people have a desire to change minds, then I need a bit more info
than "that was a failure"

Look, MK
I have done enough searches and you should do the same. Your one link to a site that tries to explain why it was CGI is hardly proof.

If I provided links to show the errors, you would just come up with some excuse on why those sites are not valid.
Do your own searches, Come to your own conclusions.

Since it was you who brought up the "reality" of CGI, it is up to you to convice me.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Look, MK
I have done enough searches and you should do the same. Your one link to a site that tries to explain why it was CGI is hardly proof.

If I provided links to show the errors, you would just come up with some excuse on why those sites are not valid.
Do your own searches, Come to your own conclusions.

Since it was you who brought up the "reality" of CGI, it is up to you to convice me.

Here is MY problem with the whole scene, given that the MSM was the first to assert that
hijacked airliners were used as weapons, the burden of prof is on them ( they have NOT provided
prof of anything so-far ) What data, ( if any ) substantiates the claim that hijacked airliners
were used as weapons? WHAT?

 

[mike2810]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Here is MY problem with the whole scene, given that the MSM was the first to assert that
hijacked airliners were used as weapons, the burden of prof is on them ( they have NOT provided
prof of anything so-far ) What data, ( if any ) substantiates the claim that hijacked airliners
were used as weapons? WHAT?

Your following what many CT folks do, misdirect.. I will ask read what you posted. How does this prove/show you are correct about CGI? What does it matter what MSM stated.

I am asking you to prove what you believe. Doesn't matter if the govt or others lied according to you. Show your evidence.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

Here is MY problem with the whole scene, given that the MSM was the first to assert that
hijacked airliners were used as weapons, the burden of prof is on them ( they have NOT provided
prof of anything so-far ) What data, ( if any ) substantiates the claim that hijacked airliners
were used as weapons? WHAT?

Qualified with the term "hijacked airliners", your statement is essentially correct. It cannot be proved that any flights were hijacked that day. With the necessary cellphone calls being impossible, and with the first passenger manifests released not including the names of the supposed hijackers, it cannot be proved that any flights were hijacked.

However, for the second strike, the vast number of independently taken pictures and videos, and other evidence, clearly show a Boeing strike the tower.

Not hijacked, but a Boeing struck the tower.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: the psychological warfare on the subject of 9/11/2001

The fact that nobody has addressed the second part of my post speaks volumes,
just keep praising that tailor ...

whatever .....

I ignore the second part because it is nothing but a pile of coprolite.

Simply throwing around beliefs and theories is not proof. I have commented on the entirety of Conspiracy Theories for a long time now. Most of them (including this one) is a big pile of bumf.

And when you try to prove the existance on completely wrong beliefs of what had happens in the past, it simply weakens your point even more.