legally you are correct
but if the man said she consented and she says she did not, the trier of fact must uses collective common sense to determine who was telling the truth. And if a woman said she had no intention of taking a guy home for sex yet there he is and witnesses testify she was dressed as if she was trying to pick up men, that will weigh heavily in the jury's determination
Because you don't give up your freedom for security!
I think BEHAVIOR plays much more of a role in date rape or other rapes than what a woman is wearing at the time. A woman can be wearing next to nothing, but if she doesn't allow herself to be put into a spot where she is vulnerable, then she more than likely would not even get raped. Another woman could be wearing a darn snowsuit, but if she goes off ALONE with some stranger, THEN she is putting herself at risk I would agree. It's NOT the clothing though unless you put yourself at risk to begin with.
You tell them how to be smart while they are out.
I don't think that is a valid defense because people have smartened up thankfully.
Who cares?
People are raped because sick people rape them...the common denominator is a lack of mental health on the part of the attacker, not a lack of conservative clothing on the part of the victim.
With regard to the risk of being raped? No.
I'm a man, and a somewhat larger than average one at that. I sort of "lucked out" on that one. :shrug:
However, that doesn't mean that there aren't scenarios in which I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself, or that there aren't certain situations I know that it'd be a good idea to try and avoid.
When I'm traveling in a foreign country by myself, for instance, do you think I wear my Army uniform?
Yes, which is why I said it could be a "contributing factor" under some circumstances. I didn't say that it was the only, or primary factor.
Part of that involves not wearing revealing clothing that is only going to attract unwanted attention in dangerous environments.
I didn't say that it was. I said that it was a defense rapists themselves liked to use.
I think that sometimes women do stupid things that might put themselves at greater risk, yes; but so has everyone at one point or another in their lives, and that in no way excuses the rape. There is NO excuse. It is a crime and violation of another person. I don't care what the person did. I can't think of ONE situation in which I would actually "blame" the woman for a man's decision to rape her.
Since posters are getting upset that the yoga thread keeps getting derailed I will ask this here. Do you think most (true cases- not made up, let's not turn this into he said she said discussion) people who get raped are wearing revealing clothing?
You're stuck on the "excusing rape" part. Remove that part from your mind. Except for an unfortunate two or three individuals on DP, nobody is actually seriously suggesting that the rapist in any sense would be excused.
Activities and stupid decisions, yes. Manner of dress? No, not if you're smart.
I would say that getting inebriated and passing out at a party full of men is putting oneself at risk, but it still doesn't equal "responsibility" for the crime committed against that person IMO. It means she was stupid and made a really bad decision, but I still wouldn't hold her responsible for the actions of another person against her.
Dangerous environments? Do you think most rapes here in the US occur in "dangerous environments?" And what are these dangerous environments? Night clubs? Somebody's home? Walking down the street?
Well, didn't you ask the question about responsibility? No I would not hold the victim "responsible" in any event when she was attacked against her will. Like I said, she might have made a bad decision, but who hasn't?
What isn't fair is that it's "stupid" for a girl to do it, and just "party hardy" for a dude to do it. Worse that might happen to a dude passed out on the couch of a frat house is he gets permanent marker on his face. All fun and games.
For girl?
Her lapse of judgement can, and often does, lead to far worse repercussions.
Of course. It is a combination of things.
A woman can be as sexual as she wants if she knows she has friends nearby to "back her up" if things get out of hand.
Dangerous environments? Do you think most rapes here in the US occur in "dangerous environments?" And what are these dangerous environments? Night clubs? Somebody's home? Walking down the street?
Frat houses. Dorm rooms. Parks.
You know, dangerous places.
Yup, yup.
Depending on the time of day, the size of the group the girl is with, and how vulnerable / appealing a target she happens to appear, of course.
And what kind of clothing are we talking about here? Because you're idea of "revealing clothing" and someone else's idea of revealing clothing might be two different things. I have the feeling that you would consider something as mundane as a miniskirt to be "revealing."
So basically ANY place could be a "danger" zone. It's really dependent upon where the rapist is and has nothing to do with the female victim.
Any clothing designed to draw an extreme amount of sexual attention would qualify; especially the kind that generally isn't considered to be especially "classy."
Again, however; clothing alone isn't going to play the major role anyway so much as behavior and circumstances. It just has the potential to lead to profiling which may draw the attention of a rapist or exacerbate a misunderstanding with a man who has the potential to be a rapist.
The woman's role in all of this is to not make herself into the kind of "soft target" that a rapist, or a potential rapist, might want to approach in the first place.
Clothing can play a role in this, but it is far from the sole or most important factor.
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