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Just 24 hours in and Paul has already erred mightily.
Rand Paul doesn't want to be in another party. that is where the force comes in, right?
Well I did just come back with I would still force them to.....Hopefully you would be leading the way as the obstruction.
Show me how Libertarians can win an election without Republicans voting for them?
They cant, but this is how could win with some of them
1. run as an independent, anti party candidate
2. the perfect candidate, intelligence, charisma, representative of the middle class, maybe a war hero
He has no other party he can go to at this point in time......as to the force. There is all kinds of force. Which is why you will see him get knocked out in the primary. Due to force. A force he can't overcome.
he can go to any party he wants to go to.
voting is not force. your understanding of the political system is is in serious question at this point
In a Two party system.....he only has the 2 choices now. Yes voting is a force and so is money. For and against. Your understanding and comprehension is lacking, its due to a constraint placed upon your ownself, by yourself.
when we say a two party system, we don't actually mean only two parties exist.
what we mean is the winner takes all, and that setup will ultimately dictate that third parties will not garner attention or votes.
he can freely run as a democrat, republican, libertarian, constitutionalist, green, vampire, etc, etc, etc,
and no, voting is not force.
got it?
What's the chance his dad would be his running mate?
Sure he can run as anything he wants now, but he can win only as a Republican or a Democrat. Hence 2 parties.
Yes, voting is a force too.
Oh I know. There can't be a primary season with every republican that there is running for president without some really good entertainment. I went on line and ordered a 100lb. bag of popcorn. I'm ready.
I think Rand needs more time in the oven, but he's got everything a fusionist conservative would want. Libertarian ideas meshed with aspects of so-called traditional conservatism. If you want a blueprint for a Reagan-like candidate on platform issues and with some amount of gravitas, Rand is about it.
It's petty, but Huntsman's big problem in 2011/12, in my opinion, was his linkage to Obama as the Ambassador to China. Christie has a similar taint, related to the Hurricane Sandy photo ops. Politics can be funny that way and little things can kill a national campaign. Huntsman was and is a rational, well spoken, reasoned individual, but I don't see him getting back in this time around. He wouldn't be a bad VP pick, however - Romney would have done better with him than Ryan.
Wow I've never done much research on Huntsman but just spent about 30 minutes researching him.
He's a guy we need in the Whitehouse! Was he too middle of the road to previously get the nomination?
Yes, voting is a force too.
I'm pretty pleased at how much enthusiasm for Rand has evaporated over the past few years.
I'm honestly hoping he does poorly if only to put another bullet into the anti-interventionist/isolationist wing of our party*.
So far the only candidates that seem possibly appealing to me are Rubio, Bush, Graham, and maybe Chris Christie.
*Though I am pretty impressed at how open he was about his hypothetical plans for criminal justice reform on his campaign website
and I'd like to see that issue raised forcefully in debates
Which is why the dark-money GOP Elite swift-boaters are going for Sen. Paul's throat from day one.
Who are all war-mongering NeoCons--part of the Adelson/Elite crowd with which the Nation is sick.
Which is why he will appeal to the Black community and the Young,
especially in OPEN primaries like New Hampshire, Texas, and South Carolina--to name three.
Election 2016 - Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions
Until 2020, when Sen. Paul will be a sitting Senator without that pressure.
If he ever gets a billionaire or two behind him, he'll develop a formidable 50-state slate up and down the ballot, state and federal.
Making the Libertarian party the real deal as a 3rd party.
Watching Tiger today--he made the tour what it is today as we know it ?
I'm a unashamed neoconservative who supports the establishment wing of the party. I'm pleased that people are deluded enough to actually think that Rand will sweep up minorities and win himself the primary. This sort of mentality will make the fall that much harsher when he comes up short. I can only hope it will finally disabuse people of the notion that you can hold such heterodox views and have such a checkered past and still be a serious candidate.
your ideas are old and dead. Rand Paul might not win the primary, but your ideology is dead in the GOP in a national election. you might win off year election cycles, for the next 6-8 years, but with each passing year, you become more of a footnote in a historical dustbin.
I'm a unashamed neoconservative who supports the establishment wing of the party. I'm pleased that people are deluded enough to actually think that Rand will sweep up minorities and win himself the primary. This sort of mentality will make the fall that much harsher when he comes up short. I can only hope it will finally disabuse people of the notion that you can hold such heterodox views and have such a checkered past and still be a serious candidate.
YAYYYYYY!!!!
I can't wait to see how many bozos they try to pack into the clown car known as the Republican Presidential Primaries.
It's also more evidence of how much more polarised Americans are than ever. As well as desperate for change that they really can believe in.
Change they can believe in? We've heard populist rabble rousing like that before.
For being 'old and dead' we continue to dominate the party, consistently nominate our candidates to the top of the ticket, and routinely crush incipient intraparty electoral rebellions. Railing against the establishment and claiming that it's 'dead' is the classic refrain of those on the fringes of politics desperate to believe that final victory is actually in sight.
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