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I don't feel the need to explain this.
If you can't see it, you lack attention to detail.
Depends on what you define as 'racist' really. Some of the same posters in this thread who say America is becoming 'less and less' racist are those who will swear that it is highly unlikely that Barack Obama got through university without Affirmative Action. Seems to me like the racism is now a lot more politically correct. Instead of saying 'a nigger would never get through school! come on! he's a nigger!' they now use the nigger's name. Overall I think that as far as 'Americans' go, most people between the ages of 35 and 50 today grew up and were raised with the same misconceptions about race that their parents had. Only now it is no longer seen as correct to express one's feelings about a particular race out in the open. They do it on forums instead.
The tea party crowd are comprised of ordinary White Americans, just as White Nationalists are. Culturally and traditionally, they're basically the same as White Nationalists - both rooted in the earlier paleo-conservative value system. The only difference might be that the neo-conservatives seem to think they can manipulate the tea partiers much more easily than they can manipulate White Nationalists. Of course, from the liberal side, the only thing they can throw out is the "race card," so therefore they will keep using the label of "racist" against the tea partiers. "Racist" is really the only rhetorical weapon the liberals have in their arsenal, and since they disingenuously overuse that label as much as they do, even that is starting to lose its power.
Instead of mindlessly throwing around labels like "racist," liberals might actually have to make real, genuine arguments in the future - something they've proven incapable of doing. They've come to rely so much on calling people "racist" to get their way, they use it mostly as a crutch these days.
I think that the slander "racist" is thrown around indiscriminately, against anyone who is white who organizes against the government.
In your own post, you made the statement that since 90% of the Tea Partiers were white, it must evidence that they are racists. Its a fraudulent association. If there was an organization that is 90% of Black, or 90% Mestizo, or 90% Jewish, or even a 90% Non-White, regardless of background, would you use that as evidence that said organization is racist. If your answer is no, then its hypocrisy.
As an aside, the CNN poll states that the Tea Partier movement is 80% white, 10% hispanic, 2% Black, 8% other. And of course these are self-identifications. There is no reason to assume these percentages are in line with true racial background.
Basically, the Tea Partiers just want to be left alone by the government, and I don't think they have much more ideology than that. Less Government, Less Taxes, Less Bureacracy, less government Social Engineering, thats the tea partier goal. Because, this is in direct contradiction of the Multicults program, more government to make more social Engineering, enforced by thugs with guns and billy clubs at any expense, the Tea Partiers are on the firing line. However the Multicult can't just come out and say, "you want too much freedom, you want too much liberty" they instead call them Racists. And Academia, supports this by defining Racist as anyone who doesn't want to be socially engineered.
The people on SF who call themselves WN, for the most part, just want to be left alone by the government, they don't want to be social engineered either. However, because social engineering is painful and oppressive, many people are radicallized and pushed into a rage, and basically provoked into being "mean". And then of course the Multicult points to the result while ignoring the cause.
No one knows if the 90% number is accurate. As a Tea Party member I can say that Whites are a majority in the Tea Party movement, but then again whites are the majority in this country. Whites are the majority of taxpayers and true conservatives. There are a few black and hispanic members of the Tea Party but I think the reason for this is the fact that most blacks and hispanics are liberals, not true conservatives.
True conservatives believe in a small central government with little taxation and governmental intrusion, self reliance, and the freedom to succeed or fail according to each individuals' abilities. Liberals are just the opposite. They believe in a large government with the power to punish those who succeed through taxation, legislation and the redistribution of wealth in order to achieve "social justice".
The Tea Party is accused of racism simply because they disagree with the policies of President Obama because he is black. The real truth is that President Obama is a socialist and socialism is the direct opposite of conservatism.
I have never seen one example or even argument that shows how redistributing the wealth of hard working successful people to less hard working unsuccessful people will benefit the Nation.
As for race, most do seem to be White. But so what? Maybe its because its mostly the White middle class that pays all the taxes?
What is truly repellent is the way the media leaped with joy at the first opportunity presented to smear the Tea Party as racist following the alleged incident involving black lawmakers walking towards the Capitol to vote on the health care bill. For those who do not know the story here is a summery: on their way to the House of Representatives, several black congressmen claimed that they were hurdled the N word at least 15 times and spat upon as well by Tea Partiers. Of course, this was like manna from heaven for the liberal mainstream media and they promptly seized upon this to illustrate that the primary motivating factor behind the Tea Party movement as well as any opposition to Obama's agenda is racism. Much was made of this incident and the fact that the majority of the Tea Partiers are whites which of course automatically "proves" that the Tea Party is a new version of the KKK, at least as far as liberals enamored of diversity are concerned.
They were accusing blacks of becoming 'embolded' or 'more racist' and I'm asking them to discuss why they think that is.
I do think that it is culturally accepted for African Americans to point out racism, whether or not it actually exists.
The niggardly comment in DC, for instance.
How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.getting rid of affirmative action would get rid of the last bit of institutionalized racism in the USA.
How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.
Biological classification is often used to foist "racial" hatred.
How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.
How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.
Laugh it up. This country locks up Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than South Africa under apartheid. But you're all correct, it's BLACK racism that is out of control in our society.
Stupid cops, always keepin tha bruthas down!
Laugh it up. This country locks up Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than South Africa under apartheid. But you're all correct, it's BLACK racism that is out of control in our society.
:doh
Are they all innocent? :roll:
Laugh it up. This country locks up Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than South Africa under apartheid. But you're all correct, it's BLACK racism that is out of control in our society.
Oh lord, not this "black man sentence longer" **** again.
Does your little data that you used to make this comment take into consideration the past criminal conviction record of both individuals as well?
In most places in the world, there are levels of sentencing depending on how many prior convictions a person has had. Your white and black man may have committed the same crime, but there are a lot of factors which may determine the length of the sentence.
Those are:
1. Sentencing Level (prior conviction record).
2. Mitigating circumstances.
3. Aggravating factors.
Unless you can show me that said black and white man had the EXACT same of all of these, then blow off with your crybaby longer sentencing crap, im tired of hearing these generalizations from people who skew numbers to get the desired result.
Laugh it up. This country locks up Black men at a rate 5.8 times higher than South Africa under apartheid. But you're all correct, it's BLACK racism that is out of control in our society.
I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.Black men offend at a rate far higher than any other population group in the U.S. (followed closely by Latino men). It's funny how posts like yours always seem to ignore that part of the equation.
It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.*Having said this, I still believe that black men face incredibly disparate treatment in America than whites do, generally, in society, and are more likely to experience poverty and social dysfunction as children, which plays a role in offending.
I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.
It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.
How utterly naive. How about the fact that a Black man who commits the same crime as a white man gets on average a six month longer sentence? Not to mention the racial makeup of the prison population. And don't even get me started on the racist death penalty. You want examples of institutionalized racism? It's called the criminal justice system.
I don't ignore that at all. When people are in desperate situations they're more likely to commit petty and violent crimes. Why are more Black people in desperate situations? Because of racism. Of course from a class perspective, it's notable that our prisons are filled all but exclusively with poor people of all races. I would argue that the greatest crimes--ie genocide, mass murder, policies resulting in famine etc. are the actions of the ruling class, that is, the rich.
It's good that you acknowledge that situational factors play a role in determining what group is more likely to commit crimes. Of course once we start looking at the big picture, considering situational forces the next step is to recognize that the situational factors harming Black people are the result of racism which in turn is a result of capitalism. Capitalism, and American Capitalism in particular can't survive without racism, and both are still very much alive.
For instance, treating crack offenses differently than powder cocaine offenses.
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