alphamale
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alphamale said:Why did God make Jesus die on the cross for our sins? Isn't that unfair? Why not hold each person accountable for their own sins? And did Jesus die for the sins up till the time of his death?
jallman said:That is one of the deepest mysteries of faith. Before the death of christ, the priests were required to make blood sacrifice for the atonement of the people. We are all born with an original sin and that sin cannot be washed clean except through sacrificial blood. The blood constitutes a pact of faith between man and god. God loved us so much that he showed his love by making the ultimate blood sacrifice, sacrificing a part of his deity so that the atonement would last forever and that the blood sacrifice could end. With that sacrifice, he washed clean all the original sin that kept us and him apart, because god cannot be in the presence of the unclean...but he loved us so much he desired to make us clean so that we could be with him.
alphamale said:What does it mean to say we were all born with "original sin"? How can anyone who was just born have sinned? He didn't do anything yet! Why did God make the "ultimate blood sacrifice" - wouldn't a universal pardon have been just as good?
We have the original sin of Adam and Eve upon us and we are inherently unclean by our flesh. The blood washes the flesh clean because it is a vessel of the Spirit.
alphamale said:I have no idea what this means.
alphamale said:Why did God make Jesus die on the cross for our sins? Isn't that unfair? Why not hold each person accountable for their own sins? And did Jesus die for the sins up till the time of his death?
Rev. said:God didn't make Jesus...Jesus volunteered.
It's not unfair, when you volunteer.
If God had held Adam immediately accountable for his sin, humanity would be wiped out and we would not be having this discussion. :lol:
Yes, Jesus died for all sin for all time.
alex said:How could you possibly know this to be true? I doubt if you were there. The Bible has been rewritten how many times? There is no way for anyone living today to know for sure what happen 2000 years ago, with or without a Bible.
jallman said:And so, we come back to the question of faith...
alex said:He did not state what I was responding to as faith. He stated it as fact.
What is faith based on? A deep-seeded feeling? Are feelings always right?
My faith says that a god could not possibly exist. So who is right? Contradicting faiths fall onto evidence for a solution. Is there any evidence to say a god exists?
star2589 said:there is neither evidence for or against his existence.
alex said:But there is evidence for contradicting theories. So which should be believed by people? The one without evidence, or the one with?
alex said:But there is evidence for contradicting theories. So which should be believed by people? The one without evidence, or the one with?
jallman said:whichever a person feels most comfortable in believing, so long as he does not force the belief on another of differing conviction.
star2589 said:which contradicting theories?
alex said:Science. There is more evidence that supports the scientific theories of our origins than there is for religion.
alex said:Very cool.
jallman said:We are all born with an original sin
MrFungus420 said:So, we are all held accountable for something that we didn't do.
Well, I guess I know why I've never head it claimed that God is fair.
alphamale said:Why did God make Jesus die on the cross for our sins?
Isn't that unfair?
Why not hold each person accountable for their own sins?
And did Jesus die for the sins up till the time of his death?
alphamale said:Why did God make Jesus die on the cross for our sins? Isn't that unfair? Why not hold each person accountable for their own sins? And did Jesus die for the sins up till the time of his death?
kal-el said:Evidently, he's a sadist.
You would think so.
Cause some got into his good graces and kissed his ***.
He didn't die for sins. That's ridiculous, a 3rd party cannot forgive someone for something they do. That's a bit like if I were to punch you in the face, and I ask God for forgiveness, that's asinine. Only you can forgive me.
jallman said:Its no different belief than karma following you from life to life. I dont see so much venom toward that belief.
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