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None of that claptrap has anything to do with the OP.
None of that claptrap has anything to do with the OP.It is hardly "fled or flee" when the Jews wanted to move to the Jewish State, so that was moving from Russia to the stolen land of Palestine.
And apparently you forget that the founders of the USSR as in Marx and Lennon and many more were all Jewish.
BUT NONE OF THAT has anything to do with the Jews refusing to participate with Russia over defeating Nazi Germany.
The Jewish State is being forgetful of their own history, along with being ungrateful to their own huge liberator of Russia.
Yes, the Shah era has ended but who put the Shah in power against popular opinion, that would be us. Then we punish the people of the country by not liking the government we put in power and the one after it the people elected themselves by placing them on a terror list because "they talked to those dirty Commies (USSR)". Do you not see the hypocrisy of that?
Iran is still being punished by us 36 years later after we set up their government.
Not really, its pretty relevant as their country is being punished by us for its government, that we helped set up. (Remember had we not set up the Shah rule, they might not be in the same predicament they are now.
That is because the UK hit it and quit it. Just like we should have done a long time ago. We haven't.
The UK abandoned colonialism only because it was financially bankrupt after WWII. In 1945, Britain owed £4.2 billion to foreign creditors while its income from possessions and exports fell by 50%. The US loaned Britain $4.34 billion in 1945 and Canada loaned Britain another $1.25 billion. The UK paid off both debts in 2006. Quit it? The UK has spent over £8 billion fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.That is because the UK hit it and quit it. Just like we should have done a long time ago. We haven't.
No, it isn't the same, because the UK stopped intervening in India over ~70 years ago. We haven't stopped intervening in Iran, in fact we are doing worse than when we put a government (oppressive nonetheless) in power, not only did we punish the people with that, but we are now punishing the people by placing trade embargo on them, all because we didn't like them talking to the USSR 30 yrs ago. (Iraq vs Iran war resulted). So no, we are not like the UK as we haven't left them alone, at all.For the thousandth time what is the relevancy of that to present time?
Is the Indian government committing anti-Western terrorism at present time for the British colonialism that happened decades ago?
Now change the word "Indian" with "Iranian" and the words "British Colonialism" with "American intervention" and the answer turns from a "No" to a "Yes".
This is what you're failing to see for quite a long while now. It's absurd.
So you claim, yes, but you provide no actual factual material as to how is Iran being punished by the West for revolting against the Shah.
Either provide such material or recognize that your claim holds no water, no other options here.
So you're saying the US is still imposing a government on the Iranian people - 37 years after the Shah era had ended? Because that's simply not true.
Yes, they are in debt as are the vast majority of the Western World, thanks to our meddling. Time to get out and let them deal with it on their own, again.Simpleχity;1064547457 said:The UK abandoned colonialism only because it was financially bankrupt after WWII. In 1945, Britain owed £4.2 billion to foreign creditors while its income from possessions and exports fell by 50%. The US loaned Britain $4.34 billion in 1945 and Canada loaned Britain another $1.25 billion. The UK paid off both debts in 2006. Quit it? The UK has spent over £8 billion fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.
It is all directly relevant to the OP.Simpleχity;1064547404 said:None of that claptrap has anything to do with the OP.It is hardly "fled or flee" when the Jews wanted to move to the Jewish State, so that was moving from Russia to the stolen land of Palestine.
And apparently you forget that the founders of the USSR as in Marx and Lennon and many more were all Jewish.
BUT NONE OF THAT has anything to do with the Jews refusing to participate with Russia over defeating Nazi Germany.
The Jewish State is being forgetful of their own history, along with being ungrateful to their own huge liberator of Russia.
It is all directly relevant to the OP.
I might agree if nuclear-weapon proliferation were not at stake.Time to get out and let them deal with it on their own, again.
So when did North Korea(who has nukes) attack a city? Just because a country wants to use nuclear power does not automatically equate to "need bomba now". Nuclear is a great option for power when you are limited on other options (IE not oil/natural gas).Simpleχity;1064547568 said:I might agree if nuclear-weapon proliferation were not at stake.
But it is at stake and the five permanent members of the UNSC plus Germany consider it too important to kick this particular can down the road.
Apparently Iran is still pissed off about it since America is still picking on them even today... :roll:
It is hardly "fled or flee" when the Jews wanted to move to the Jewish State, so that was moving from Russia to the stolen land of Palestine.
And apparently you forget that the founders of the USSR as in Marx and Lennon and many more were all Jewish.
BUT NONE OF THAT has anything to do with the Jews refusing to participate with Russia over defeating Nazi Germany.
The Jewish State is being forgetful of their own history, along with being ungrateful to their own huge liberator of Russia.
You do realize that we helped overthrow a democratically elected government and helped install the hated Shah and our presidential candidate Ronald Reagan asked them to keep the hostages a little longer to help him win the election, right? :roll:
We over threw the democratically elected leader as is quoted below.
And apparently you are unaware of the US's history of the use of terrorism to advance its "interests".
Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
No, it isn't the same, because the UK stopped intervening in India over ~70 years ago. We haven't stopped intervening in Iran, in fact we are doing worse than when we put a government (oppressive nonetheless) in power, not only did we punish the people with that, but we are now punishing the people by placing trade embargo on them, all because we didn't like them talking to the USSR 30 yrs ago. (Iraq vs Iran war resulted). So no, we are not like the UK as we haven't left them alone, at all.
North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003 in order to acquire nuclear weapons.So when did North Korea(who has nukes) attack a city? Just because a country wants to use nuclear power does not automatically equate to "need bomba now". Nuclear is a great option for power when you are limited on other options (IE not oil/natural gas).
Mossadeq was appointed by the Shah and ratified by the Iranian Parliament, and he was only ousted after he dissolved parliament through an Unconstitutional and fraudulent national referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yes vote and granted himself indefinite "emergency powers" because they wouldn't give him direct control over the military (some beacon of liberal democracy you have there) the Shah was still the legitimate head of state under the Iranian Constitution, it was not a coup it was a counter-coup.
Yeah, that is a complete fabrication.I know that's the Chomskyite version of what happened but in reality Mossadeq was appointed by the Shah and ratified by the Iranian Parliament, and he was only ousted after he dissolved parliament through an Unconstitutional and fraudulent national referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yes vote and granted himself indefinite "emergency powers" (some beacon of liberal democracy you have there) the Shah was still the legitimate head of state under the Iranian Constitution, it was not a coup it was a counter-coup.
There are several restrictions still applied to Iran from the late 70s and 80s. First there are still frozen assets by EO 12170 in 1979 by Carter, second in 1984 there is a restriction on weapon sales and charitable assistance and loans, and third there is a sanction against importing and exporting goods to Iran as of 1987 EO 12613 by Regan. That is from the past 30 years ago and they are still (mostly) in effect. So we are still punishing the country for nothing more than talking with the USSR.What embargo?
Are you referring to the sanctions imposed on Iran due to its nuclear ambitions?
That is exactly what they have been trying to do for decades and each time our fear of Iran is beyond foolish.Simpleχity;1064549216 said:North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003 in order to acquire nuclear weapons.
Few have a problem with Iranian nuclear reactors that are strictly used for generating power. But nuclear weapon fabrication is illegal for Iran which signed the NPT in 1968.
Pure propaganda.
Yeah, that is a complete fabrication.
Simpleχity;1064547306 said:Putin has no right to lecture anyone about arms sales. Russian weapons have devastated Syria.
It would have been a simple police action had Putin not sent Russian forces and arms into eastern Ukraine.
Many went to Russia because it's less than an hour drive away and Ukraine wasn't invading Russia.
Yeah, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, get educated:
Mosaddeq did come to power legitimately — the Shah had appointed him prime minister in 1951 under the country’s constitutional monarchy — but his continuance in power was anything but. To win re-election in 1952, Mosaddeq stopped the counting of votes midway, after most of the urban vote was in — Mosaddeq’s power base was in the cities — and before the rural votes could be counted. This “secular democrat,” as Argo describes him, then suspended parliament and ruled by emergency power, decreeing sweeping land reforms that expropriated the rural land owners and established a system of collective farming under government land ownership. To deal with objectors, Mosaddeq relied on goon squads from the Iranian Communist party.
By 1953 his popularity was tanking — his nationalization of the oil industry, though initially popular, led to an economically ruinous international boycott that cost him support with the public and splintered his National Front party, a sprawling coalition of socialists, nationalists, workers and clergy. Looming nationalizations in transportation and communications and attempts to control food production further polarized society, with many fearing Iran would come to resemble the neighbouring Soviet Union, where an atheistic state controlled the economy and society. The final straw was a referendum Mosaddeq called to dissolve parliament, which he won with 99.9% of the vote — those who might want to vote “no” had to use separate ballot boxes, sometimes in different polling places, where voters had to provide their names, addresses, and their identity cards. Within 10 days of the referendum, the people took to the streets and Mosaddeq was deposed.
Lawrence Solomon: Argo perpetuates myth of CIA coup | Financial Post
I'm sorry here is the official memo from the CIA, declassified showing we over threw the elected government.
There was no emergency referendum called, it was because we did not want Iran to talk to the USSR.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/iran-cia-summary.pdf
I'm sorry here is the official memo from the CIA, declassified showing we over threw the elected government.
There was no emergency referendum called, it was because we did not want Iran to talk to the USSR.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/iran-cia-summary.pdf
I'm sorry but your link in no way contests the incontrovertible facts I presented, there was a referendum to dissolve parliament in which Mossadeq garnered a laughable 99.9% yay vote that is a historical fact it is not up for ****ing debate.
In 1951, Prime Minister of Iran, the leader of the Social Democratic People's Front, Mohammad Mossadegh decided to nationalize Iran's oil industry, which was controlled by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later - British Petroleum). British attempts to exert "influence" on Mossadegh through Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi failed. Mossadegh held a referendum in which he secured 99.9% of the votes, assumed emergency powers, took over the command of the armed forces. And, in the end, deposed the Shah and sent him into exile in February 1953. The troops took control of the oil infrastructure facilities in the country.
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A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99 percent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1300 votes against.[56] According to Mark J. Gasiorowski, "There were separate polling stations for yes and no votes, producing sharp criticism of Mosaddeq" and that the "controversial referendum...gave the CIA's precoup propaganda campaign an easy target". On or around 16 August, Parliament was suspended indefinitely, and Mosaddeq's emergency powers were extended.
Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://books.google.com/books?id=7...v=onepage&q=99.9% referendum mossadeq&f=false
Mossadeq was aware of the plots around him and called a referendum which returned a highly suspicious 99.9% vote in favour of dissolving parliament and granting him emergency powers. Mohammad Reza demanded that Mossadeq step down and when the beleaguered prime minister refused, the Shah left the country, anticipating trouble.
The Pahlavis & The Last Shah of Iran | IranVisitor - Travel Guide To Iran
Facts are stubborn things!
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