AngryOldGuy
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For Pete's sake What's the holdup? Let's get this Shock and Awe Show on the road
I wanna see my tax dollars at work Dang it!
Um, I was not arguing they were.....and um...it has been thoroughly investigated.
They were not.
That doesn't mean they were. Whoever makes the claim that al-Qaeda is Saudi-sponsored has to prove it first.
Consider context. The Taliban regime was openly allied with al-Qaeda and hosted advanced level terrorist training camps within Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia did no such thing. If the United States immediately showed sympathy for Saudi Arabia, and if Bolivia was the only supporter of the terrorists at the time, then your analogy would work.
You'll get no argument from me that Saudi Wahhabist ideology doesn't spread terrorism, but I have no evidence to believe that the government has any connection with al-Qaeda.
That doesn't mean they were. Whoever makes the claim that al-Qaeda is Saudi-sponsored has to prove it first.
Consider context. The Taliban regime was openly allied with al-Qaeda and hosted advanced level terrorist training camps within Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia did no such thing. If the United States immediately showed sympathy for Saudi Arabia, and if Bolivia was the only supporter of the terrorists at the time, then your analogy would work.
You'll get no argument from me that Saudi Wahhabist ideology doesn't spread terrorism, but I have no evidence to believe that the government has any connection with al-Qaeda.
Aren't you the Mabus-Nostradamus guy?
According to you, all Obama has to do is fire Sec. of Navy Ray Mabus, and all will be well.
Right?
Anyone here speaks Russian sufficiently to confirm this news from a legit Russian source?
It was never stated whether they were al Qaida or not. Only that we were attacked by Saudi Arabia.
Which Middle East nation can America consider a loyal friend?
Now, probably none
We've been working hard at destabilizing the ME since at LEAST the 40's.
Nobody likes the u.s. over there. They have good reasons, too.
That is precisely the opposite of reality. We have been working hard at stabilizing the ME since the 40s, and been willing to partner with some bastards to do it.
...you're third source there now says that this is a disinformation story.
We've been working hard at stabilizing the ME since the 40s,
saddam was our guy as long as he was killing iranians in the '80's. He was just as brutal, just as tyrannical and just as lethal to his own citizens as later but we didn't mind as long as he danced when we pulled the strings.
Now, the kuwait business;
Over a period of decades, and especially in recent years, Britain and the U.S. have consciously manipulated tensions in the region and have masterfully set into motion sequences of events leading to the Iraqi invasions. The purpose of these manipulations was to increase power and control over middle eastern governments and their oil resources by elite U.S. and British interests.
Prior to WWI there was no iraq/iran, etc..the area was called Persia or the Ottoman Empire.
As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes. The Iraq Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity, "Kuwait" from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922
Iraq had a historical claim to Kuwait as it used to be part of (what was now called) "iraq"
Following World War II, British rule was gradually replaced by U.S. neo-colonial domination of the Middle East. The new state of Israel became an important instrument for U.S. control of Middle Eastern oil in the post war era. With the U.S./Israeli sponsored coup of 1953 that deposed Mossadegh, the popularly elected president of Iran, and installed the Shah in his place, the U.S. became the dominant imperial power in the region.
Moving forward, the Shah of iran was a brutal, tyrannical lethal dictator who ruled with an iron fist...but we propped him up because he danced when we pulled the strings.
Eventually he was deposed by his own people and fled to the U.S. which further increased hatred of america for sheltering him...the iranians seized our embassy and held 40 or 50 hostages..etc..you know the story.
fast forward to libya, egypt, and now syria...Gee.. I wonder why they hate our guts in the ME? /sarcasm
. I couldn't find any relevant news articles to copy/paste.I'm sorry, I don't know how to respond to you
we were attacked principally by Saudis, so we attacked Iraq ... had Bush been president when the Japanese hit us at Pearl Harbor,...we would've invaded Mexico
Which Middle East nation can America consider a loyal friend?
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