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I also think that people should do what they want with their bodies.I think people should be able to do as they want, and if you wanted such an establishment I don't have a problem with it.
Ecstasy abuse is horrible for people. It will fry your serotonin receptors. However, one must be using X on a relatively regular basis for a bit of time before anything like that occurs.Ecstasy is horrible for people though
I'll disagree. The main problem is that psychedelic drugs have not been studied long enough to evaluate the long-term effects. HPPD is always an issue, but it's not that much of a deterrent in my opinion.and other psychedelic drugs have very negative long term effects.
Agreed.But if people want to flip the middle finger to nature, let them.
The frying of serotonin receptors and other chemical producers/receptors in the brain begin to happen at trip #1.
Just because substances latch onto the receptors does not mean the receptors are being fried or damaged. The main factor is the individual's physiological makeup. Some people can take LSD and become schizophrenic. It varies by individual. :shrug:
Can you provide a link? If I'm wrong, I'd like to know.Scientific study disagrees with you, but it's not a point I care much about. I like my brain, not going to do much to it to radically alter its operation and chemistry. If others want to destroy their brain, more power to them.
They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. And the jury would probably award multimillion dollar damages because they're all stupid, worthless sheep who want to make sure that when they make their own failed bid to win the Darwin Award that other stupid, worthless sheep will be there to support them with someone else's money.
God, at least the taxes are honest and spread out across the entire country. We can almost afford supporting useless people that way.
That's still treating the symptom, and not the disease
They wouldn't ask the taxpayer to support them for the rest of their lives. They'd sue the hotel, saying it was responsible for them frying their brains. .
Yes, but how many people have the stomach to actually solve the problem of worthless people in society? I have to be very careful even discussing that the problem exists, much less how to solve it, lest I run afoul of our hate speech rules.
We have to do something about them, and we've already ruled out the best option before we've crossed the starting line.
Being an advocate of using psychedelic substances for therapy and spiritual growth, I have an idea and I am interested to see what DPers think about it.
It would essentially be a hotel, run by medical professionals(mainly clinical psychologists) where people could stay have guided psychedelic experiences under the supervision of doctors. This way, any "bad trips" could be dealt with by individuals who know how to counteract the effects of whichever drug was ingested. This offers a safe and extremely productive alternative to using substances unsupervised. Also, the user would know that the substance he was taking was actually the substance it was advertised to be. Because of the illegality and the drug market, a lot of things are sold under popular names but which are not the actual substances. A lot of what gets passed around as "Ecstasy" is not MDMA, but pills containing a wide array of substances from caffeine to heroine to 2c-B to speed.
Anyway, I was just curious to see what you guys have to say about this idea, good or bad.
Therapy? spiritual growth?
This idea sounds like it came from someone who has already overcooked his cerebral cortex...:2razz:
Maybe you should research this topic a bit more thoroughly...Therapy? spiritual growth?
This idea sounds like it came from someone who has already overcooked his cerebral cortex...:2razz:
We believe that psychedelics and marijuana, when used in proper settings, can be beneficial for such uses as psychotherapeutic treatment, physiological research and treatment, treatment of addiction, pain relief, spiritual exploration, creativity research, shamanic healing, psychic research, brain physiology research and related scientific inquiries.
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You do realize that psychedelic drug use requires a large amount of intellectual fortitude, right?Its fine for those weak of mind, or those hopelessly lost.
This cannot, must not be paid by any government health plan..
Is there any way of saving these people, other than prevention ?
No thanks, I have been around long enough to know stupid when I see it, don't need to do any new research to prove what I already know....:2razz:Maybe you should research this topic a bit more thoroughly...
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MAPS’ focus on altered states of consciousness also requires MAPS to deal with deep–seated cultural and individual ambivalence toward religious experiences, the exploration of the unconscious mind, fear of death and loss of control, and powerful emotional states.
The above part of the linked information is exactly what I was getting at. The vast majority of people don't want to explore deep-seated cultural ambivalences or any of the other objectives/ intentions discussed. They are not psychologically capable of insight or self-exploration. I've known lots of drug-users in my lifetime. As a general rule, they don't want enlightenment- they want to escape from the realities of life. A couple of them OD'd and died from drug use. They were very unhappy individuals, and they were intelligent and creative people whom I loved dearly. I have no problem with people using drugs. If they want to kill themselves with drugs it's their business. If they just want to get high and escape reality, I have no problem with it. That being said, I have yet to meet a single person who became "enlightened" through the use of mind-altering drugs.
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